Antonio Conte

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I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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If Pochettino was to return he would have to win a trophy in his first season. That is what you were demanding of Conte. Anything other than that and he would be a failure.
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Not at all Sandy. I'd be satisfied with a slow upward trajectory which is what we had when Poch first joined. When he took over from Sherwood, after a few months you could definitely see a style emerging. We controlled a lot of games, were on the front foot but obviously didn't hit 5th gear for about a year. That said we were always progressing. Bit by bit.

Now I know what you're going to say - why would you give Poch time and not Conte? Because only at the very end under Poch did we begin to regress, when the club didn't back him when they should have done. We are a worse team now than we were when Conte got us to 4th. We've plateaued and dipped. Plus the football is dreadful.

The truth is that, and I've heard Carragher say something similar, if you play unattractive, passive football, you've got to win. You just have to because the fans won't have anything else to cling to. We're playing badly, we're losing games and we have a manager that doesn't really want to be here. That's why I don't want him here. It has nothing to do with demanding a trophy.
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That old chesnut about the club not backing him. Most of the dross at the club now were Poch signings, and they are holding the club back, because no one wants them.

I wouldn`t trust Poch with any money. He will just waste it on the likes of Nkoudou, Janssen, Njie and Clarke type players. Plus all the other expensive players he purchased that have been complete duds.

Would you have been so kind to Conte had he purchased Sanchez, Lo Celso and Ndombele for an extraordinary amount of money.

comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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Hard not to disagree with this. There are no other realistic candidates that could come in and potentially turn it around under ENIC. Pochettino has an affiliation with the club unlike our other managers after him.
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Just like there were no other candidates but Mourinho when he was sacked, coincidence or lazy recruitment team ?

Agree with you Fridge. I think it's every bit as big a job as it was when he first joined though. He got a tune out of plenty of underperforming players but he also binned a bunch who weren't up for it. Capoue, Kaboul, Holtby, Soldado, Paulinho, Chadli, Bentaleb...

I think he'd need to do the same again with this squad. Plenty of young talent to work with, but plenty of stagnant/degrading older ones too, and I seriously don't see him managing to get the likes of Son, Dier, Davies etc suddenly performing again. They're jaded and they're not gonna suddenly start responding to a manager who demands high-pressing and energy.

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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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If Pochettino was to return he would have to win a trophy in his first season. That is what you were demanding of Conte. Anything other than that and he would be a failure.
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Not at all Sandy. I'd be satisfied with a slow upward trajectory which is what we had when Poch first joined. When he took over from Sherwood, after a few months you could definitely see a style emerging. We controlled a lot of games, were on the front foot but obviously didn't hit 5th gear for about a year. That said we were always progressing. Bit by bit.

Now I know what you're going to say - why would you give Poch time and not Conte? Because only at the very end under Poch did we begin to regress, when the club didn't back him when they should have done. We are a worse team now than we were when Conte got us to 4th. We've plateaued and dipped. Plus the football is dreadful.

The truth is that, and I've heard Carragher say something similar, if you play unattractive, passive football, you've got to win. You just have to because the fans won't have anything else to cling to. We're playing badly, we're losing games and we have a manager that doesn't really want to be here. That's why I don't want him here. It has nothing to do with demanding a trophy.
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That old chesnut about the club not backing him. Most of the dross at the club now were Poch signings, and they are holding the club back, because no one wants them.

I wouldn`t trust Poch with any money. He will just waste it on the likes of Nkoudou, Janssen, Njie and Clarke type players. Plus all the other expensive players he purchased that have been complete duds.

Would you have been so kind to Conte had he purchased Sanchez, Lo Celso and Ndombele for an extraordinary amount of money.
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Son, Alli, Toby, Wanyama, Trippier etc were also signed on his watch for relative peanuts. Gonna give him any credit for those or only the duds? The truth is you cherry pick the duds to suit your point, every single time.

Has it ever dawned on you that Poch bemoaned the fact that he was just the coach precisely because he didn't have much say in transfers. If the club signed good players or bad players, it was about the recruitment team, not the manager in place.

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Agree with you Fridge. I think it's every bit as big a job as it was when he first joined though. He got a tune out of plenty of underperforming players but he also binned a bunch who weren't up for it. Capoue, Kaboul, Holtby, Soldado, Paulinho, Chadli, Bentaleb...

I think he'd need to do the same again with this squad. Plenty of young talent to work with, but plenty of stagnant/degrading older ones too, and I seriously don't see him managing to get the likes of Son, Dier, Davies etc suddenly performing again. They're jaded and they're not gonna suddenly start responding to a manager who demands high-pressing and energy.
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Yep, I've no doubt major surgery is needed but we've now got a huge recruitment team in place thanks to what Paratici has done so as we ship out the poor players, we should be in a good position to unearth the next set of hidden gems. That's the market we should be looking at and with Poch at the helm, there's no one better than him at polishing a rough, young diamond.

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posted 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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If Pochettino was to return he would have to win a trophy in his first season. That is what you were demanding of Conte. Anything other than that and he would be a failure.
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Not at all Sandy. I'd be satisfied with a slow upward trajectory which is what we had when Poch first joined. When he took over from Sherwood, after a few months you could definitely see a style emerging. We controlled a lot of games, were on the front foot but obviously didn't hit 5th gear for about a year. That said we were always progressing. Bit by bit.

Now I know what you're going to say - why would you give Poch time and not Conte? Because only at the very end under Poch did we begin to regress, when the club didn't back him when they should have done. We are a worse team now than we were when Conte got us to 4th. We've plateaued and dipped. Plus the football is dreadful.

The truth is that, and I've heard Carragher say something similar, if you play unattractive, passive football, you've got to win. You just have to because the fans won't have anything else to cling to. We're playing badly, we're losing games and we have a manager that doesn't really want to be here. That's why I don't want him here. It has nothing to do with demanding a trophy.
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That old chesnut about the club not backing him. Most of the dross at the club now were Poch signings, and they are holding the club back, because no one wants them.

I wouldn`t trust Poch with any money. He will just waste it on the likes of Nkoudou, Janssen, Njie and Clarke type players. Plus all the other expensive players he purchased that have been complete duds.

Would you have been so kind to Conte had he purchased Sanchez, Lo Celso and Ndombele for an extraordinary amount of money.
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Sandy, you just didn’t like N’jie’s hair

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 4 minutes ago
Agree with you Fridge. I think it's every bit as big a job as it was when he first joined though. He got a tune out of plenty of underperforming players but he also binned a bunch who weren't up for it. Capoue, Kaboul, Holtby, Soldado, Paulinho, Chadli, Bentaleb...

I think he'd need to do the same again with this squad. Plenty of young talent to work with, but plenty of stagnant/degrading older ones too, and I seriously don't see him managing to get the likes of Son, Dier, Davies etc suddenly performing again. They're jaded and they're not gonna suddenly start responding to a manager who demands high-pressing and energy.
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Yep, I've no doubt major surgery is needed but we've now got a huge recruitment team in place thanks to what Paratici has done so as we ship out the poor players, we should be in a good position to unearth the next set of hidden gems. That's the market we should be looking at and with Poch at the helm, there's no one better than him at polishing a rough, young diamond.
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The shipping out of players presumably means endless loans out until they have run down their contracts?

Can’t wait for Poch to unearth the next Ndombele and Lo Celso

Perhaps he can come back and get the best out those players

I cling onto the hope these players need an arm round the shoulder manager like Poch …who they actually thought they were signing for rather than the ego maniacs they got

I’ve always though le celso had a lot to offer but just think he likes the uk but maybe a more warm manager will get him happy here (still on loan ?)

Ndombele is a lazy waste of talent as per pogba

Ndombele and Lo Celso hardly played for Pochettino before he got sacked. In fact I'm not sure Lo Celso played for him at all. You never know, if he comes back in he might give both a second chance

Not sure if this is new news or what but haven’t seen it on here ….just read conte back at Tottenham already and was at training

Confused ?!?!