Faaaack me where to begin. First off, lost al faith as soon as I saw the Sheff U line up - proved to me and I said before a half was kicked that once again the club had failed to learn its lesson. Resting players in a cup were capable of winning to keep them fresh for the next league game - only to lose that anyway - when people say Spursy, that to me is the true meaning of that term.
Proved to me again that Levy has this club set up in such a way that the only outcome that matters is top 4 and CL qualification - he cares about faaaack all else.
Does Conte have to go now - yes of course he does, we’ve not scored in 3 games and not really looked like scoring. Worse still, I am not convinced he ever intended for us to try and attack Milan - last night was an outrage although the Sheff U line up was worse, but I’m splitting hairs with that. Don’t care about the Wolves game, something and nothing.
The thing for me and I have said this all along is that Daniel Levy absolutely cannot get away with his part in this mess either. Whilst not directly responsible for the last week, his time is up. Antonio Conte was supposed to be Levy’s last throw of the dice - well he has thrown and it has come up schitt.
“Oh but it’s not easy to change the owner of the club" - he is not the owner, he is a part owner, Joe Lewis needs to step in now, put a metaphorical bullet in Levy’s head and get us a chairman that understands that football is more than a balance sheet.
I want Conte gone, I want Levy gone and I want at least half of this squad gone. I want us to do the right thing by Harry Kane and sell him to a side ready to win trophies. I ideally want ENIC gone but understand the issues with that.
I don’t want Poch back - it let’s Levy off the hook and I believe in the old saying “never go back"
For al those only blaming Conte - Jose and Nuno ended the same, Poch, Redknapp and Jol treated badly. All down to Levy. So whilst Antonio needs to go, don’t let the biggest culprit of the mess at our club get away with it.
Also, those desperate for Conte to be sacked - Levy won’t do it until we are out of the running for top 4 - that’s his only goal every season. If we scrape 4th from here then Levy will be trying to keep Conte on - mark my words, and that in a nutshell is the problem with Levy at this club
There used to be a football club over there
posted on 9/3/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
We’ve been having these same arguments for years over the managers and the Glazers. You can’t force the owners to sell so you just need to hope you can stumble upon a manager that gives you more to be hopeful about, even it it only lasts a year or two.
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Enic have been failing for nearly a quarter of a decade on the pitch - surely we deserve a change soon
The only hope I have is that I am younger than Lewis and Levy and therefore they are more likely to snuff it before I do
posted on 9/3/23
Enic aren’t going to sell the club because fans think they deserve a change, though. Most people accept that, which then leaves the discussion around what the club should be doing under those circumstances. We’ve had fans arguing our managers shouldn’t he sacked because the owners are shiiiiiit for years. It was a crap argument for them and it’s a crap argument for Spurs.
posted on 9/3/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Enic aren’t going to sell the club because fans think they deserve a change, though. Most people accept that, which then leaves the discussion around what the club should be doing under those circumstances. We’ve had fans arguing our managers shouldn’t he sacked because the owners are shiiiiiit for years. It was a crap argument for them and it’s a crap argument for Spurs.
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It’s not about arguments, the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
On the one hand you want the best possible manager and on the other you want the best possible owner.
I am asking for both, get a new manager and the fans keep their foot on the necks of the owners
posted on 9/3/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Enic aren’t going to sell the club because fans think they deserve a change, though. Most people accept that, which then leaves the discussion around what the club should be doing under those circumstances. We’ve had fans arguing our managers shouldn’t he sacked because the owners are shiiiiiit for years. It was a crap argument for them and it’s a crap argument for Spurs.
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Here, here!
Some spurs fans just don’t get it. I’d rather get right the part that can be controlled, the management and recruitment.
posted on 9/3/23
Yeah but getting a new manager is realistic, and something fans can have some impact on, getting a new owner isn’t.
posted on 9/3/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Enic aren’t going to sell the club because fans think they deserve a change, though. Most people accept that, which then leaves the discussion around what the club should be doing under those circumstances. We’ve had fans arguing our managers shouldn’t he sacked because the owners are shiiiiiit for years. It was a crap argument for them and it’s a crap argument for Spurs.
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Here, here!
Some spurs fans just don’t get it. I’d rather get right the part that can be controlled, the management and recruitment.
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And that’s why we will go another 20 years trophyless. Definition of madness is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Let’s give Levy another chance - law of averages says he will get it right eventually
posted on 9/3/23
Levy is certainly culpable for the state we are in now but I hold Conte far more responsible.
Our exits from the cups have all been gutless performances. Some like to think Levy wont care about Cups but I would argue that ne knows very well that we need to win a trophy and this will have been emphasised to Conte. Its been so long that it would have been a top priority.
For me, the performances this season have been generally poor. That is despite improving the team and squad and having a much stronger bench. In the clutch moments we have seen some truly dreadful performances, with last night topping even the awful Sheff Utd game.
We have the quality to beat Forest, Sheff and Milan Our displays were not because we're rubbish, they come from the manager and his motivation, the mindset he's instilling in the team. He does not seem capable of creating a team greater than the sum of its parts. He needs only the finest ingredients to produce results. You could argue Pep is the same but everyone else, Klopp, ETH, Arteta, Potter when at BHA, the current BHA manager, Howe, the Fulham man, are all getting their teams to play and deliver. We have stronger squads than a lot of these teams yet Conte has failed to get more out of them.
We do not have a complete squad. I would argue if we added a quality CB and Maddison to a 433 we'd have an excellent squad, and maybe thats the next step in the summer so to think Conte cannot get more out of a squad that is 85% what we want it to be shows how far short he has fallen of achieving what we should be capable of.
posted on 9/3/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 42 minutes ago
Levy is certainly culpable for the state we are in now but I hold Conte far more responsible.
Our exits from the cups have all been gutless performances. Some like to think Levy wont care about Cups but I would argue that ne knows very well that we need to win a trophy and this will have been emphasised to Conte. Its been so long that it would have been a top priority.
For me, the performances this season have been generally poor. That is despite improving the team and squad and having a much stronger bench. In the clutch moments we have seen some truly dreadful performances, with last night topping even the awful Sheff Utd game.
We have the quality to beat Forest, Sheff and Milan Our displays were not because we're rubbish, they come from the manager and his motivation, the mindset he's instilling in the team. He does not seem capable of creating a team greater than the sum of its parts. He needs only the finest ingredients to produce results. You could argue Pep is the same but everyone else, Klopp, ETH, Arteta, Potter when at BHA, the current BHA manager, Howe, the Fulham man, are all getting their teams to play and deliver. We have stronger squads than a lot of these teams yet Conte has failed to get more out of them.
We do not have a complete squad. I would argue if we added a quality CB and Maddison to a 433 we'd have an excellent squad, and maybe thats the next step in the summer so to think Conte cannot get more out of a squad that is 85% what we want it to be shows how far short he has fallen of achieving what we should be capable of.
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I can assure you that you are wrong about Levy caring about the cups, if he did truly care then A) he does t sack Jose 6 days before the league cup final B) Conte is gone this morning.
All Levy cares about is revenue, Champions League revenue to be precise.
Conte is still in the job because we’re sat in 4th and have our on paper easiest run of fixtures coming up over the next 6 weeks.
Levy is hoping we see a repeat of last season with Conte guiding us to 4th, then he can part ways and bring the new man in. The new man better be careful though because winning both domestic cups and finishing 5th will be deemed a failure by Danny boy and he won’t last long, it’s CL or bust for spreadsheet FC
posted on 9/3/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
Yeah but getting a new manager is realistic, and something fans can have some impact on, getting a new owner isn’t.
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This. Fans can say the owners are cr@p but it's not pragmatic, you have to hope they work within the perimeters they set themselves. Spurs, for instance, probably should be employing project managers because the owners will never give managers like Mourinho & Conte what they need to make them be an asset to the club.
It's a really weird time we're living in. Spurs have project owners with a money manager, are sh!t, and they seem happy. Chelsea have money owners with a project manager, are sh!t, and they seem happy
posted on 9/3/23
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
Yeah but getting a new manager is realistic, and something fans can have some impact on, getting a new owner isn’t.
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This. Fans can say the owners are cr@p but it's not pragmatic, you have to hope they work within the perimeters they set themselves. Spurs, for instance, probably should be employing project managers because the owners will never give managers like Mourinho & Conte what they need to make them be an asset to the club.
It's a really weird time we're living in. Spurs have project owners with a money manager, are sh!t, and they seem happy. Chelsea have money owners with a project manager, are sh!t, and they seem happy
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Of course levy is happy, we’re 4th - that’s all that matters to him.
Levy hired Conte because he was backed into a corner, we were 9th, Nuno was schitt, the football was actually worse than it is currently and the fans had turned on the board - it’s well documented that Levy was rattled about the vitriol aimed at him in that United 3-0 home loss.
So he hired a guy that got us straight back into the CL and might do again this year. The problem is that is where his ambitions end.
The thing with Chelsea is that you are having a bad year but will be back next year. At Spurs we know the end is best for us because when Kane goes we won’t get near another title challenge under Enic and top 4 will also become a pipe dream