Levy Out campaign

But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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The problem is all sides are right with regards to Levy.

I dont hate him I think he has done a lot of good things but I also think he has done a lot of bad things.

On the business front, new training ground, the new ground etc he has done fantastically well and we can be proud of our ground it is the best in the world.

BUT

On the football side he has done too much wrong. I do not agree that he has not backed managers but I do think far too much money has been wasted by various managers, DOF's or Levy himself.

Bad buys for big money starting as far back as Darren Bent and since then the list is endless.

My big in fact huge problem with him is his appointing of managers. Take away Jol (who became manager by default when Santini went, Rednapp and Poch all the others have been pretty much disastrous. I guess you can forgive Ossie and Hoddle because they were Spurs legends but all the others? I mean seriously.

I can see that its his money thats involved but he really needs to step away from the football side of things as he is simply not good enough at it.

He is not awful our improvements on the football front over the last 15 years are apparent to all but he is not the Chairman to take us to where we want to be.

I know some on here seem to feel entitled to success and also seem to believe that somewhere we have a hidden vault full of money that we should but the best players in the world with but thats simply not the case.

We need a football chairman (not a business one) and we need to use our money shrewdly instead of wastefully as we have over the last 10 years.

The Bale money is a good example, 90% of it wasted.

As for a DOF nobody at the club should sign any player that the manager does not want unless its a 16/17 year old for the future.

Any first team signing should have the managers seal of approval or we are just wasting our time.

comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 18 minutes ago
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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The problem is all sides are right with regards to Levy.

I dont hate him I think he has done a lot of good things but I also think he has done a lot of bad things.

On the business front, new training ground, the new ground etc he has done fantastically well and we can be proud of our ground it is the best in the world.

BUT

On the football side he has done too much wrong. I do not agree that he has not backed managers but I do think far too much money has been wasted by various managers, DOF's or Levy himself.

Bad buys for big money starting as far back as Darren Bent and since then the list is endless.

My big in fact huge problem with him is his appointing of managers. Take away Jol (who became manager by default when Santini went, Rednapp and Poch all the others have been pretty much disastrous. I guess you can forgive Ossie and Hoddle because they were Spurs legends but all the others? I mean seriously.

I can see that its his money thats involved but he really needs to step away from the football side of things as he is simply not good enough at it.

He is not awful our improvements on the football front over the last 15 years are apparent to all but he is not the Chairman to take us to where we want to be.

I know some on here seem to feel entitled to success and also seem to believe that somewhere we have a hidden vault full of money that we should but the best players in the world with but thats simply not the case.

We need a football chairman (not a business one) and we need to use our money shrewdly instead of wastefully as we have over the last 10 years.

The Bale money is a good example, 90% of it wasted.

As for a DOF nobody at the club should sign any player that the manager does not want unless its a 16/17 year old for the future.

Any first team signing should have the managers seal of approval or we are just wasting our time.
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Hard to argue with most of that Grandspurs, although Ossie was way before Levy came in.

I think the main issue with Levy is his decision making, not the money he puts up. The reason why we eternally have so many players surplus to requirements is because we flip-flop on philosophies depending on managers that come in. The next man through the door, who will likely be a front foot manager, will have to deal with recruitment built for conservative coaches. The cycle never changes. So you're right in a sense that it is managerial decisions that are going wrong but it's worse than that because with each passing appointment, there's a change of direction on transfers. That confusion has lead to where we are now and ultimately the buck stops with Levy. There's nothing more confused than outlining a statement of intent about front foot football and then hiring a director of football with defensive instincts. He's trying to do the right thing but I honestly think he doesn't know how.

I guarantee you that he'll be fully aware of the backlash on Twitter right now but he won't understand why. He'll see it as a numbers game. He'll say "we've spent £372m since Paratici came in" and not quite understand that it's not about money, but about who we're getting in, both staff and players.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 18 minutes ago
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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The problem is all sides are right with regards to Levy.

I dont hate him I think he has done a lot of good things but I also think he has done a lot of bad things.

On the business front, new training ground, the new ground etc he has done fantastically well and we can be proud of our ground it is the best in the world.

BUT

On the football side he has done too much wrong. I do not agree that he has not backed managers but I do think far too much money has been wasted by various managers, DOF's or Levy himself.

Bad buys for big money starting as far back as Darren Bent and since then the list is endless.

My big in fact huge problem with him is his appointing of managers. Take away Jol (who became manager by default when Santini went, Rednapp and Poch all the others have been pretty much disastrous. I guess you can forgive Ossie and Hoddle because they were Spurs legends but all the others? I mean seriously.

I can see that its his money thats involved but he really needs to step away from the football side of things as he is simply not good enough at it.

He is not awful our improvements on the football front over the last 15 years are apparent to all but he is not the Chairman to take us to where we want to be.

I know some on here seem to feel entitled to success and also seem to believe that somewhere we have a hidden vault full of money that we should but the best players in the world with but thats simply not the case.

We need a football chairman (not a business one) and we need to use our money shrewdly instead of wastefully as we have over the last 10 years.

The Bale money is a good example, 90% of it wasted.

As for a DOF nobody at the club should sign any player that the manager does not want unless its a 16/17 year old for the future.

Any first team signing should have the managers seal of approval or we are just wasting our time.
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Hard to argue with most of that Grandspurs, although Ossie was way before Levy came in.

I think the main issue with Levy is his decision making, not the money he puts up. The reason why we eternally have so many players surplus to requirements is because we flip-flop on philosophies depending on managers that come in. The next man through the door, who will likely be a front foot manager, will have to deal with recruitment built for conservative coaches. The cycle never changes. So you're right in a sense that it is managerial decisions that are going wrong but it's worse than that because with each passing appointment, there's a change of direction on transfers. That confusion has lead to where we are now and ultimately the buck stops with Levy. There's nothing more confused than outlining a statement of intent about front foot football and then hiring a director of football with defensive instincts. He's trying to do the right thing but I honestly think he doesn't know how.

I guarantee you that he'll be fully aware of the backlash on Twitter right now but he won't understand why. He'll see it as a numbers game. He'll say "we've spent £372m since Paratici came in" and not quite understand that it's not about money, but about who we're getting in, both staff and players.
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You can guarantee Levy will miss the point

comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 11 hours, 34 minutes ago
underachieving for 50 years
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On what basis? Before ENIC we were a mid table team.
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And before Sugar we were a top 5 club who won European trophies and FA cups

comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
Some of the entitlement of spurs fans is embarrassing. I will never ever pretend he is perfect and I get peoples frustrations with him, but honestly look at what he has done for the club in terms of financial sustainability, infrastructure and helping the club move from a mid table club to regular European football. I fully accept we fall short, but that has mostly been as much about players not turning up for big games and managers not rectifying that. There are things wrong at spurs but it isn’t all on levy. A petition

The fans want trophies. So he gets the two managers in world football who essentially guarantee you trophies. And whatever people say, he does back them - admittedly he could spend more but he has the club’s financial sustainability in the forefront which so many fans forget. The fans say he doesn’t know enough about football. So he gets in arguably the most respected DoF around. It isn’t his fault Paratici is a crook. The fans don’t want their hero Kane sold to city. So levy digs in and doesn’t sell. We have the best stadium in Europe. We have the training ground. We haven’t won anything I know, but that ISNT all on levy. The football has been terrible. But that’s cos he got in Jose and Conte cos the fans wanted trophies. Just stop this weird obsessive hate with the bloke and look at some of the things he has done for the club.
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All Levy did was return us to being where we belong, a top 6 club, we have always been a massive club but mismanagement and Sugar saw us slip into a false position. What Levy has done was not difficult, that was the easy part, so please don't act like he is done kind of Spurs saviour. Having the best stadium and training centre is pointless without success on the pitch. Everything Levy has done for the club is ultimately for his own personal gain, if it wasn't he would have completely different approach to the football team.

Didn't say he was our saviour

We don't belong as a top 6 club, no club belongs in the top 6. Look at Leeds, Forest. Any club has to work SO hard to keep up and stay competitive especially with the oil money pouring in.

I pointed out the things he has done wrong, what frustrates me is some fans refuse to accept he has done anything good.

NotSo.. fair enough, but you do make excuses for where he's responsible.

- players not turning up for big games and managers not rectifying that. - Levy sets top 4 as the goal, not trophies. Plus he's responsible for hiring basically all the managers and a lot of the players.

- So he gets the two managers in world football who essentially guarantee you trophies - and sacks one the week before the cup final he got us to FFS

- It isn’t his fault Paratici is a crook. - C'mon man. You his pr guy or summink? The investigation had already started before we hired him. You'd do reference checks etc if you were hiring a secretary FFS.

Yes there's some weird obsessive hate out there but excusing Levy of his actual responsibilities because he's done good for the club isn't right either. You can like him and appreciate what he's done while also saying he's facked up in a lot of ways. Don't excuse it, it's not ok. But that doesn't mean the good doesn't count.

Fair points Bales. Don't think he chooses the players we sign, but agree he sets the targets and on Paratici due diligence.

I do accept he's facked up, but that's not all he's done

NotSo

I kind of put that in there to his credit as well. When we look back at this time we'll have the new stadium and VdV to remember him by.

But na. What gets me is that a lot of the mistakes he's made on the football side are really bad, obvious things, for the wrong reasons. Basically refusing to spend at the right times to back the right managers and vice versa. It might only be a handful of mistakes against years of good business decisions, but IMO at least, there's a pattern of such bad decisions when it comes to football and a complete lack of trophies despite apparent progress, that it shouldn't be overlooked anymore. IMO

Hard to argue with most of that Grandspurs, although Ossie was way before Levy came in.
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Yes you are right I was just thinking of the poor managers that we have had and got a bit carried away