Are some Spurs fans as confused as Levy

I think that a manager that achieves success without style will, in time, come under the same amount of pressure as a manager who delivers style without success to deliver both style & success.

If you go back through our last 4 managers (exc. Nuno & caretakers) then we have covered both bases - Redknapp & Poch entertained, Conte & Jose bored albeit they were supposed to deliver success.

For me the next appointment needs to look to deliver both, but patience will be needed and that is in short supply across the whole club from owners to fans.

In a step away from the norm, I would really like the ownership to set out the very clear strategy that we are playing to when we appoint the new man. Get the fans on board, share the same expectations and understanding of timeframe. I dont expect Levy to suddenly become Mr open book, but to have a very clear, shared vision at the outset will at least close some divisions and then the respective parties (owners, managers, players etc) can all be judged as to whether they met their brief in pursuing the vision, and be held accountable. This is in the owners best interests as currently more and more blame the owners for everything and the good work they have done is largely forgotten.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. Is Levy a Gooner? This is not To... (U6574)
posted 46 minutes ago
I just want the club to remember we’re fans not shareholders for a start. Stop talking to me like you’re sending me a financial report.

Then I’d like them to remember ’to dare is to do’.

Then levy to admit liability for the frankly shocking incompetent decisions he has made on the football side if things, because, you know that side of the business is kind of important to me.

Then I’d like Levy to just completely stay out of the football. But he can’t because he is an egotistical megalomaniac .

I want to feel like spurs want to play good football and win things

Not just defend a top four finish every year, because I really don’t give a f a ck about finishing fourth.

I want someone to slap Daniel levy with Danny blanchflower’s words every single day

The game is about the glory. It’s about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom

This is the way.
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There is a saying along the lines of, people get promoted to the point of incompetence.

You see this in football and one has to recognise that certain players or certain managers can only take you so far. Some will get you out of Div.1 but fail in the PL. Some will get you challenging for top 6, but are not good enough for top 4 etc. SO players and managers come and go as they reach their level of incompetence.

Owners do not come and go. All these fans wanting the owners gone are wasting their time and energy. Owners leave clubs when they want to regardless of thier level of competence. If people want change they need to change the focus. Dont demand they go, demand they do better.

In this respect i think that Levy does realise that in his role pre-2020, he was promoted to the point of incompetence. Hence Paraticci came in to take over more of the football side, hence Kline came in to deliver sponsorship deals, and now a new director in Munn to have oversight on all things football. The thought that this is just another Levy puppet defies the very purpose of making such a high profile appointment.. It is a very corporate way of doing things, bringing in expertise in every area with the guy at the top being advised by them all and making the high level decisions.

We all know Levy's vision. Success, achieved sustainably where we make best use of assets such as our youth and our stadium. Munn is a guy who can deliver that vision across the whole club, women's team included, and it is this sort of appointment that will give us an identity, a unified approach and strategy. It wont just be Paratici (or whoever replaces him) wanting manager X or Y because he likes him or knows him, Munn will be ensuring these appointments fit with the vision.

As we lack this clear structure now, and currently lack any manager or DoF, it is no wonder there is confusion across the board at Spurs. We are still suffering from decisions made years ago in terms of managerial sackings, transfers etc and a lot of these come down to Levy who was out of his depth without the structure around him to make the best football decisions. That is changing, and whatever you think of Paratici, his deals have been far more successful than his predecessor who wasted massive sums for which we are still paying for, literally and in terms of our ability to evolve our squad.

With Munn on gardening leave from his old job, Paratici suspended, I suspect both are, confidentially, providing their counsel to Levy now as we are in a key moment in appointing a new manager and building up for the summer window and could really do with them both in seat to deliver everything we need.

Ive been around long enough to know how football fortunes ebb and flow. So i am not too bothered whether we go with the Kompany type brave new world or a more tried and tested Poch/Nagelsmann type. SO long as the vision at the top of the club is clear and everyone is pulling in the same direction then we can enjoy better fortunes which, in the first instance and as an absolute given, needs to be football that you want to watch.
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Very fair comments. Let's see what happens

Dev,

Agree on a lot of what you've said, makes total sense to me. An organisation always functions better when it has a clear strategy and a workforce who share those beliefs.

In football terms though, it's far simpler than that. You can have a clear strategy and a perfect structure but if you don't get recruitment right, everything collapses. Harry Redknapp hit the nail on the head a few years back when he said football is a simple game in that it's just about good players, really. Coaches, tactics, philosophy, vision. They're all meaningless without good players. The only caveat to that is that each of those four things allow you to target those players better if you know who you are as a club. Not only that, you allow that philosophy to dictate the culture at youth level, in the hope that players coming through are well drilled in the club's identity. The bottom line is though that you still have to identify the right players.

As things stand, even if Scott Munn proves to be an astute appointment, I don't think can improve all the time Paratici is on board. I disagree about the quality of players he's signed. Only really Bentancur, Kulu and, at a stretch, Romero represent value for money. Aside from that, he's had some serious misses. But beyond his individual transfer choices, the part that concerns me most is that he's unashamedly defensive in his instincts. He's said as much. So the players he will lean towards will contradict any front foot philosophy Levy wants us to be. I'm hoping Scott Munn will be the one to realise this as there really is no point in bringing in a DoF on the strength of his little black book without taking into account the profile of player he tends to sign. I think FP was a terrible appointment symptomatic of a club with muddled thinking.

The other point I wanted to add was to your comment about success vs entertainment. Conte and Jose didn't get near the success they were supposed to bring. Essentially the 'entertainers' in Poch and Redknapp got us closer to 'success' than the 'success' candidates. If the modern game has taught us anything it's that pragmatic, low block football doesn't actually breed success any more. Okay, there are anomalies like Madrid's counter attacking under Ancelotti but by and large the winners in the modern game player attractive football. That's why Jose is stuck at Roma, Conte has left us in disgrace and Simeone is slipping at Atletico. The landscape is changing. If we want to win anything going forward, the best way is to develop a front foot philosophy.

I'll be fair to Paratici. He's upgraded our squad. Let's not try an pretend we know who was a Levy signing. Let's just look at who was brought in under Paratici

He signed Conte: most celebrated this
He signed Bissouma: most feel he's a top prem CM. Dominated us everytime we played Brighton
He Signed Bentancur: not much need to say
He sign Kulu: quality players
He signed Udogie: talented Italian LB. Rated highly by his countrymen
He signed Spence: who was one of the talented players in championship and played well against Chelsea dn arsenal. Something most our fullbacks have failed to do
He signed Forster: hard to name a better back up keeper in prem
He signed Porro: Top class RWB. Possibly the best RWB we could afford in the market.
He signed Richarlison: Brazils no.9 and prem proven forward
He signed Gil: again a player highly rated in his country
He signed Sarr: Afcon young player of the year and Afcon winner with more international appearances than Skipp.


With a different attacking coach we would ne praising these signings.

Where Paratici had failed us is in signing CBs. Hopefully we will address that this Summer as a priority.

comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 1 minute ago
I'll be fair to Paratici. He's upgraded our squad. Let's not try an pretend we know who was a Levy signing. Let's just look at who was brought in under Paratici

He signed Conte: most celebrated this
He signed Bissouma: most feel he's a top prem CM. Dominated us everytime we played Brighton
He Signed Bentancur: not much need to say
He sign Kulu: quality players
He signed Udogie: talented Italian LB. Rated highly by his countrymen
He signed Spence: who was one of the talented players in championship and played well against Chelsea dn arsenal. Something most our fullbacks have failed to do
He signed Forster: hard to name a better back up keeper in prem
He signed Porro: Top class RWB. Possibly the best RWB we could afford in the market.
He signed Richarlison: Brazils no.9 and prem proven forward
He signed Gil: again a player highly rated in his country
He signed Sarr: Afcon young player of the year and Afcon winner with more international appearances than Skipp.


With a different attacking coach we would ne praising these signings.

Where Paratici had failed us is in signing CBs. Hopefully we will address that this Summer as a priority.

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Not so much emphasis on CBs if we play on the front foot, the right manager is the key

comment by Dave&Danny COYH (U4428)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 1 minute ago
I'll be fair to Paratici. He's upgraded our squad. Let's not try an pretend we know who was a Levy signing. Let's just look at who was brought in under Paratici

He signed Conte: most celebrated this
He signed Bissouma: most feel he's a top prem CM. Dominated us everytime we played Brighton
He Signed Bentancur: not much need to say
He sign Kulu: quality players
He signed Udogie: talented Italian LB. Rated highly by his countrymen
He signed Spence: who was one of the talented players in championship and played well against Chelsea dn arsenal. Something most our fullbacks have failed to do
He signed Forster: hard to name a better back up keeper in prem
He signed Porro: Top class RWB. Possibly the best RWB we could afford in the market.
He signed Richarlison: Brazils no.9 and prem proven forward
He signed Gil: again a player highly rated in his country
He signed Sarr: Afcon young player of the year and Afcon winner with more international appearances than Skipp.


With a different attacking coach we would ne praising these signings.

Where Paratici had failed us is in signing CBs. Hopefully we will address that this Summer as a priority.

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Not so much emphasis on CBs if we play on the front foot, the right manager is the key
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Trust me, in the prem you don't get to attack all game. If you have bad defenders you'll concede. Even if you are Man City. We need better CBs

comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny COYH (U4428)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 1 minute ago
I'll be fair to Paratici. He's upgraded our squad. Let's not try an pretend we know who was a Levy signing. Let's just look at who was brought in under Paratici

He signed Conte: most celebrated this
He signed Bissouma: most feel he's a top prem CM. Dominated us everytime we played Brighton
He Signed Bentancur: not much need to say
He sign Kulu: quality players
He signed Udogie: talented Italian LB. Rated highly by his countrymen
He signed Spence: who was one of the talented players in championship and played well against Chelsea dn arsenal. Something most our fullbacks have failed to do
He signed Forster: hard to name a better back up keeper in prem
He signed Porro: Top class RWB. Possibly the best RWB we could afford in the market.
He signed Richarlison: Brazils no.9 and prem proven forward
He signed Gil: again a player highly rated in his country
He signed Sarr: Afcon young player of the year and Afcon winner with more international appearances than Skipp.


With a different attacking coach we would ne praising these signings.

Where Paratici had failed us is in signing CBs. Hopefully we will address that this Summer as a priority.

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Not so much emphasis on CBs if we play on the front foot, the right manager is the key
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Trust me, in the prem you don't get to attack all game. If you have bad defenders you'll concede. Even if you are Man City. We need better CBs
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Of course we do, just not 3 hopefully ,goalkeeper plus 1

comment by Dave&Danny COYH (U4428)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny COYH (U4428)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 1 minute ago
I'll be fair to Paratici. He's upgraded our squad. Let's not try an pretend we know who was a Levy signing. Let's just look at who was brought in under Paratici

He signed Conte: most celebrated this
He signed Bissouma: most feel he's a top prem CM. Dominated us everytime we played Brighton
He Signed Bentancur: not much need to say
He sign Kulu: quality players
He signed Udogie: talented Italian LB. Rated highly by his countrymen
He signed Spence: who was one of the talented players in championship and played well against Chelsea dn arsenal. Something most our fullbacks have failed to do
He signed Forster: hard to name a better back up keeper in prem
He signed Porro: Top class RWB. Possibly the best RWB we could afford in the market.
He signed Richarlison: Brazils no.9 and prem proven forward
He signed Gil: again a player highly rated in his country
He signed Sarr: Afcon young player of the year and Afcon winner with more international appearances than Skipp.


With a different attacking coach we would ne praising these signings.

Where Paratici had failed us is in signing CBs. Hopefully we will address that this Summer as a priority.

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Not so much emphasis on CBs if we play on the front foot, the right manager is the key
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Trust me, in the prem you don't get to attack all game. If you have bad defenders you'll concede. Even if you are Man City. We need better CBs
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Of course we do, just not 3 hopefully ,goalkeeper plus 1
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I'll settle for any CB that benches Dier

Watch Dier closely not to talk fo Sanchez..he's a terrible CB. He never defends on the front foot. He allows opposition to turn and run at him then he backs off into the net.

He also gives so many hospital passes to team mates. Takes 4 touches instead of one. Yes I know this is also down to coaching. Both Conte and Jose what the CBs to coax teams into pressing to create space for midfield but Dier is not that Guy.

comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 16 hours, 4 minutes ago
I'll be fair to Paratici. He's upgraded our squad. Let's not try an pretend we know who was a Levy signing. Let's just look at who was brought in under Paratici

He signed Conte: most celebrated this
** Yes, and then never signed the players he asked for.
He signed Bissouma: most feel he's a top prem CM. Dominated us every time we played Brighton
***"most feel"..you must be kidding, Bissouma is a work in progress and heaven only knows how he will turn out.
He Signed Bentancur: not much need to say
**Injury prone
He sign Kulu: quality players
*** Kulushevskii is a good signing
He signed Udogie: talented Italian LB. Rated highly by his countrymen
*** Yes and then we don't get him for a year...great signing!!!
He signed Spence: who was one of the talented players in championship and played well against Chelsea and arsenal. Something most our fullbacks have failed to do
*** Spence is promising, but then...we needed full backs, didn't we?
He signed Forster: hard to name a better back up keeper in prem
*** Agree here
He signed Porro: Top class RWB. Possibly the best RWB we could afford in the market.
*** Porro might turn out well, needs to take lessons from Kane on how to shoot!
He signed Richarlison: Brazils no.9 and prem proven forward
*** And for some reason we don't play him, sits on the bench, I wonder why?
He signed Gil: again a player highly rated in his country
*** too light weight for Prem
He signed Sarr: Afcon young player of the year and Afcon winner with more international appearances than Skipp
*** Sarr is a work in progress. Can't put him starting eleven..


With a different attacking coach we would ne praising these signings.
*** And who on earth would such a coach be?
*** total cop out to say..."with someone else".

Where Paratici had failed us is in signing CBs. Hopefully we will address that this Summer as a priority.
*** Was it Paratici or Levy? How would you know?
*** we do have Romero, he's as good as you will get, World Champion player.
*** And we have Dier.... oh yes good old faithful!

I think this post was rubbish. We hardly backed Conte, and he eventually gave up in disgust.

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