Below are the net transfer spends, revenue and profit/loss of both Manchester United and Chelsea over the last four seasons.
Transfer fees have been taken from Transfermarkt, although for some reason they had excluded James Garner's transfer to Everton so I have added that in to the 22/23 Departures column.
22/23 Revenue and Profit/Loss are estimated based on quartlerly results so far.
Chelsea Arrivals Departures Net Revenue Profit/Loss
22/23 € 611.49 € 67.83 € 543.66 € 590.00 -€ 80.00
21/22 € 118.00 € 148.94 -€ 30.94 € 561.86 -€ 141.60
20/21 € 247.20 € 57.15 € 190.05 € 507.69 -€ 179.80
19/20 € 45.00 € 157.27 -€ 112.27 € 469.70 -€ 112.77
Total € 1,021.69 € 431.19 € 590.50 € 2,129.25 -€ 514.17
Man Utd Arrivals Departures Net Revenue Profit/Loss
22/23 € 243.28 € 30.75 € 212.53 € 650.00 -€ 4.00
21/22 € 142.00 € 31.10 € 110.90 € 689.00 -€ 134.83
20/21 € 83.80 € 19.50 € 64.30 € 558.00 -€ 107.63
19/20 € 236.80 € 81.18 € 155.62 € 580.40 -€ 27.08
Total € 705.88 € 162.53 € 543.35 € 2,477.40 -€ 273.54
Chelsea have a net spend of 47m more than us over the last four years, their revenue is 348m less than ours and their total profit/loss is 241m worse than ours.
So why do I keep hearing that Chelsea will spend big again this summer while United will struggle to spend 100m? Is it all down to our debt?
How are Chelsea complying with FFP? I know the rules have changed now but if you can only spend 90% of your revenue on transfer fees and salaries, how do Chelsea comply when their gross transfer expenditure alone (excluding salaries and bonuses) in 22/23 was 109% of their 21/22 revenue and 104% of their estimated 22/23 revenue?
Their revenue will decline significantly in 23/24 without European football. So how do they spend hundreds of millions again this summer and still comply?
Apologies for the rubbish tables. They were all nice and neat in excel and don't translate properly in this format. And yes, I am a loser. The Mrs has gone out for the day and I'm at a loose end.
Chelsea & FFP
posted on 10/6/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
“United have a crumbling stadium and their best players are old with no resale value. United are a real mess tbf”
Shaw, Martinez, Rashford, Bruno are all good ages, under 28.
Casemiro is the only one of our best players who is “old”. Verane has injury issues but even he inly turned 30 a month ago.
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I wouldn't say the first lot are that great tbh. Haven't achieved much. Bruno is on high wages for how good he is, and he got a handful of assists this season. Didn't he get 1 more assist than Solanke? 😂 hardly justifies 250k a week.
Varane and casemiro are on big big wages and have no resale value. Maguire, Antony, sancho, martial etc are on big salaries too, which is why united can't sell them. Bonkers wages in fact.
Rashford had his first real good season in an eternity and carried united for large parts but was still the 10th best striker in Pl for goals/minutes.
He just beats salah too by a couple minutes per goal but salah got 12 assists to his 5, and no one is gonna try and say rashford is better than salah let's be honest 😂
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Certainly not our resident "Crawley Town" fan anyway. Bruno did create the most chances in the league by the way. Trash like Weggy and Martial couldn't finish a fish supper but that doesn't take away from Bruno's contributions. Hence him featuring in the Whoscored team of the season
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In the Pl he was joint 9th for assists and they are what lead to goals. 1 ahead of solanke. He goes missing in most big games which is why united record wasn't great against the big teams.
I don't think Bruno being in the 'who scored' team of the season means anything 😂 never even heard of it.
VVD was voted FIFA fifPro only cb in their 11, so basically the best cb in the world, and yet he had an off season by his standards. And that's voted for by professional players from 68 countries.
Them team of the years and best ever teams are usually a load of 5hit. Look at terry and ferdinando as examples. Now they've retired people forget they too had bad seasons.
I genuinely stand by my original point though that united's squad isn't value for money, with what they've spent, and heir situation is more dire than Chelsea.
Chelsea can easily sell players for good fees and on the balance sheet that's huge, as the whole.amount goes on this year's accounts. Signings get spread over the length of the deal.
That's why juve and napoli got investigated as they were purposely moving people for inflated fees to boost their accounts, abusing this accounting method.
If Chelsea raise 2-300m.in sales, as is def possible, they will have no issues at all. United are a billion in debt.
posted on 10/6/23
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
“United have a crumbling stadium and their best players are old with no resale value. United are a real mess tbf”
Shaw, Martinez, Rashford, Bruno are all good ages, under 28.
Casemiro is the only one of our best players who is “old”. Verane has injury issues but even he inly turned 30 a month ago.
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I wouldn't say the first lot are that great tbh. Haven't achieved much. Bruno is on high wages for how good he is, and he got a handful of assists this season. Didn't he get 1 more assist than Solanke? 😂 hardly justifies 250k a week.
Varane and casemiro are on big big wages and have no resale value. Maguire, Antony, sancho, martial etc are on big salaries too, which is why united can't sell them. Bonkers wages in fact.
Rashford had his first real good season in an eternity and carried united for large parts but was still the 10th best striker in Pl for goals/minutes.
He just beats salah too by a couple minutes per goal but salah got 12 assists to his 5, and no one is gonna try and say rashford is better than salah let's be honest 😂
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Certainly not our resident "Crawley Town" fan anyway. Bruno did create the most chances in the league by the way. Trash like Weggy and Martial couldn't finish a fish supper but that doesn't take away from Bruno's contributions. Hence him featuring in the Whoscored team of the season
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In the Pl he was joint 9th for assists and they are what lead to goals. 1 ahead of solanke. He goes missing in most big games which is why united record wasn't great against the big teams.
I don't think Bruno being in the 'who scored' team of the season means anything 😂 never even heard of it.
VVD was voted FIFA fifPro only cb in their 11, so basically the best cb in the world, and yet he had an off season by his standards. And that's voted for by professional players from 68 countries.
Them team of the years and best ever teams are usually a load of 5hit. Look at terry and ferdinando as examples. Now they've retired people forget they too had bad seasons.
I genuinely stand by my original point though that united's squad isn't value for money, with what they've spent, and heir situation is more dire than Chelsea.
Chelsea can easily sell players for good fees and on the balance sheet that's huge, as the whole.amount goes on this year's accounts. Signings get spread over the length of the deal.
That's why juve and napoli got investigated as they were purposely moving people for inflated fees to boost their accounts, abusing this accounting method.
If Chelsea raise 2-300m.in sales, as is def possible, they will have no issues at all. United are a billion in debt.
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Who scored base their selections on stats. It's literally the most comprehensive and accurate football database there is. Probably explains why you haven't heard of it 🤣. What, with you being full of ill informed baseless nonsense.
VVD didn't feature in the Who Scored PL team of the season by the way, which shouldn't surprise anybody who watches football. At least he won the popularity contest though. Go him
posted on 10/6/23
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Who scored base their selections on stats. It's literally the most comprehensive and accurate football database there is. Probably explains why you haven't heard of it 🤣. What, with you being full of ill informed baseless nonsense.
VVD didn't feature in the Who Scored PL team of the season by the way, which shouldn't surprise anybody who watches football. At least he won the popularity contest though. Go him
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Yeah who scored. ...forget opta and fifa fif pro awards voted for other players..guardians who scored is what everyone uses 😂. Bruno is amazing with his 8 assists cos who scored said so.....got it.
If you think statically he deserves to be in the Pl team of the season you are mental. You have to be trolling.
I even said VVD being in fifa fifPro team of the year proved them team awards mean nothing you toolbox 😂. Putting Bruno in the Pl team of the year proves how silly that team is though. That's laughable.
Even united fans would struggle to find a reason to include him. I could make a whole list of players just in PL who are far better and got more assists and better passing stats.
Hate to pi55 in your pocket and tell you it's raining but Bruno in Pl team of the year 😂😂😂 that's comedy gold. 8 Pl assists and a coca cola cup. What a season! 😂
posted on 10/6/23
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 20 seconds ago
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Who scored base their selections on stats. It's literally the most comprehensive and accurate football database there is. Probably explains why you haven't heard of it 🤣. What, with you being full of ill informed baseless nonsense.
VVD didn't feature in the Who Scored PL team of the season by the way, which shouldn't surprise anybody who watches football. At least he won the popularity contest though. Go him
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Yeah who scored. ...forget opta and fifa fif pro awards voted for other players..guardians who scored is what everyone uses 😂. Bruno is amazing with his 8 assists cos who scored said so.....got it.
If you think statically he deserves to be in the Pl team of the season you are mental. You have to be trolling.
I even said VVD being in fifa fifPro team of the year proved them team awards mean nothing you toolbox 😂. Putting Bruno in the Pl team of the year proves how silly that team is though. That's laughable.
Even united fans would struggle to find a reason to include him. I could make a whole list of players just in PL who are far better and got more assists and better passing stats.
Hate to pi55 in your pocket and tell you it's raining but Bruno in Pl team of the year 😂😂😂 that's comedy gold. 8 Pl assists and a coca cola cup. What a season! 😂
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Because he created more chances than any other player in the league you moron. Maybe you've been too busy pretending to support Crawley to understand that this is the main role of an attacking midfielder and he did it better than anybody, eh?
The fact you think that assists are a better indicator of performance than actual chances created says a lot about your 'nuanced' takes on football you walloper.
https://www.whoscored.com/Explanations
Read this. You might learn something 🤣
posted on 10/6/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 20 seconds ago
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Who scored base their selections on stats. It's literally the most comprehensive and accurate football database there is. Probably explains why you haven't heard of it 🤣. What, with you being full of ill informed baseless nonsense.
VVD didn't feature in the Who Scored PL team of the season by the way, which shouldn't surprise anybody who watches football. At least he won the popularity contest though. Go him
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Yeah who scored. ...forget opta and fifa fif pro awards voted for other players..guardians who scored is what everyone uses 😂. Bruno is amazing with his 8 assists cos who scored said so.....got it.
If you think statically he deserves to be in the Pl team of the season you are mental. You have to be trolling.
I even said VVD being in fifa fifPro team of the year proved them team awards mean nothing you toolbox 😂. Putting Bruno in the Pl team of the year proves how silly that team is though. That's laughable.
Even united fans would struggle to find a reason to include him. I could make a whole list of players just in PL who are far better and got more assists and better passing stats.
Hate to pi55 in your pocket and tell you it's raining but Bruno in Pl team of the year 😂😂😂 that's comedy gold. 8 Pl assists and a coca cola cup. What a season! 😂
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Because he created more chances than any other player in the league you moron. Maybe you've been too busy pretending to support Crawley to understand that this is the main role of an attacking midfielder and he did it better than anybody, eh?
The fact you think that assists are a better indicator of performance than actual chances created says a lot about your 'nuanced' takes on football you walloper.
https://www.whoscored.com/Explanations
Read this. You might learn something 🤣
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You'll see their stats come from Opta if you're capable of reading that far down. I'm glad you agree they're reliable as they rank Bruno as the 4th best player in the PL in 2022-23
posted on 10/6/23
You only need to look at Bruno and KDB this season to realise that assists stats are incomplete. Bruno created more chances yet had half the number of assists. It’s not hard to work out why.
posted on 10/6/23
Why do you care?
Did it only become a problem for you when Manchester United, all of a sudden couldn't compete for the best players overnight?
posted on 10/6/23
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
“United have a crumbling stadium and their best players are old with no resale value. United are a real mess tbf”
Shaw, Martinez, Rashford, Bruno are all good ages, under 28.
Casemiro is the only one of our best players who is “old”. Verane has injury issues but even he inly turned 30 a month ago.
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I wouldn't say the first lot are that great tbh. Haven't achieved much. Bruno is on high wages for how good he is, and he got a handful of assists this season. Didn't he get 1 more assist than Solanke? 😂 hardly justifies 250k a week.
Varane and casemiro are on big big wages and have no resale value. Maguire, Antony, sancho, martial etc are on big salaries too, which is why united can't sell them. Bonkers wages in fact.
Rashford had his first real good season in an eternity and carried united for large parts but was still the 10th best striker in Pl for goals/minutes.
He just beats salah too by a couple minutes per goal but salah got 12 assists to his 5, and no one is gonna try and say rashford is better than salah let's be honest 😂
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Certainly not our resident "Crawley Town" fan anyway. Bruno did create the most chances in the league by the way. Trash like Weggy and Martial couldn't finish a fish supper but that doesn't take away from Bruno's contributions. Hence him featuring in the Whoscored team of the season
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In the Pl he was joint 9th for assists and they are what lead to goals. 1 ahead of solanke. He goes missing in most big games which is why united record wasn't great against the big teams.
I don't think Bruno being in the 'who scored' team of the season means anything 😂 never even heard of it.
VVD was voted FIFA fifPro only cb in their 11, so basically the best cb in the world, and yet he had an off season by his standards. And that's voted for by professional players from 68 countries.
Them team of the years and best ever teams are usually a load of 5hit. Look at terry and ferdinando as examples. Now they've retired people forget they too had bad seasons.
I genuinely stand by my original point though that united's squad isn't value for money, with what they've spent, and heir situation is more dire than Chelsea.
Chelsea can easily sell players for good fees and on the balance sheet that's huge, as the whole.amount goes on this year's accounts. Signings get spread over the length of the deal.
That's why juve and napoli got investigated as they were purposely moving people for inflated fees to boost their accounts, abusing this accounting method.
If Chelsea raise 2-300m.in sales, as is def possible, they will have no issues at all. United are a billion in debt.
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You don't understand how player trading is shown in the balance sheet.
If you sold Lukaku for 50m, that is not shown as 50m revenue.
You bought Lukaku for 100m over 5 years. His book value decreases over the unexpired time of his contract. So if 2 years in to a 5 year deal his book value is 60m.
So if you sold him for 50m, rather than reading as 50m revenue, its shown as a 10m loss in player trading.
The flip side is that you lose his amortisation and wages from the books, for ever, but selling for 50m may give you money in the hand bur from an accounts/FFP point of view its viewed differently.
As for easily getting 300m in sales, you'll be lucky as we all know you are desperate to sell. I can see a lot of loans happening and 2 or 3 key sales, Mount Kovavic Gallagher.
posted on 12/6/23
another thing not mentioned devon is loan deals etc, we get a lot of loan money which isn't always tracked on the regular net spend sites.
Also if we sold for example mount and loftus cheek that is nothing but pure profit.
posted on 18/6/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 20 seconds ago
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Who scored base their selections on stats. It's literally the most comprehensive and accurate football database there is. Probably explains why you haven't heard of it 🤣. What, with you being full of ill informed baseless nonsense.
VVD didn't feature in the Who Scored PL team of the season by the way, which shouldn't surprise anybody who watches football. At least he won the popularity contest though. Go him
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Yeah who scored. ...forget opta and fifa fif pro awards voted for other players..guardians who scored is what everyone uses 😂. Bruno is amazing with his 8 assists cos who scored said so.....got it.
If you think statically he deserves to be in the Pl team of the season you are mental. You have to be trolling.
I even said VVD being in fifa fifPro team of the year proved them team awards mean nothing you toolbox 😂. Putting Bruno in the Pl team of the year proves how silly that team is though. That's laughable.
Even united fans would struggle to find a reason to include him. I could make a whole list of players just in PL who are far better and got more assists and better passing stats.
Hate to pi55 in your pocket and tell you it's raining but Bruno in Pl team of the year 😂😂😂 that's comedy gold. 8 Pl assists and a coca cola cup. What a season! 😂
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Because he created more chances than any other player in the league you moron. Maybe you've been too busy pretending to support Crawley to understand that this is the main role of an attacking midfielder and he did it better than anybody, eh?
The fact you think that assists are a better indicator of performance than actual chances created says a lot about your 'nuanced' takes on football you walloper.
https://www.whoscored.com/Explanations
Read this. You might learn something 🤣
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if chances created were worth anything id bet Chelsea were top of the league, we missed so many chances every game it was unbelievable even funny at the end.