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Cisgender?? What...I'm sorry but, I'm a Male heterosexual..two perfectly good words used to describe what I am, I dont need some made up words to describe me, totally pointless imo.
Here's another, "assigned at birth"! Nobody can be ASSIGNED anything at birth, you are born...either xx or xy, not one person can assign you your s€x it ludicrous ideology.
Freedom of choice YES....within the law, but to create pointless words it's a no from me with regards to above.
Let's just have some common sense, and why is the western world cowing to a less than 1% minority...include yes, but not allowed to debate for fear of being "cancelled"..that's not right.
If a man wants to wear a dress, and a woman appear as a man I will stand with them and fight for their right to have that choice, that's freedom of choice and I am with it 100%...but dont force people to accept an ideology that on the face of it seems way off.
Trans language..
posted on 20/6/23
comment by Mr A (U12035)
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“Gender dysphoria is a mental illness”
Gender dysphoria is a condition *arising from* gender incongruence.
Being transgender, identifying as being trans, is categorically *not* a mental illness.
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The quote marks suggest thats word for word what I said - think I posed it more as a question.
I'm not a specialist (in case that needed clarifying haha) but Mental Illness = a condition which causes serious disorder in a persons behaviour or thinking. So again how can we say that gender issues - dysphoria or incongruence, feel free to expand on the difference between the two - are not exactly that, a disorder in a persons thinking? We're talking about people that are uncomfortable in the bodies they were born with, right?
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There are accepted clinical and academic definitions of gender incongruence, gender dysphoria and mental illness.
Here’s a useful WHO link:
https://www.who.int/standards/classifications/frequently-asked-questions/gender-incongruence-and-transgender-health-in-the-icd
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Okay, lets accept that incongruence/dysphoria is not a mental illness but a sexual illness/condition?
Should we treat it or accept it (along with the ramifications of glorifying it)?
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It doesn’t sound like you’ve recognised the distinction between gender incongruence and gender dysphoria.
Gender incongruence is a condition in which the gender identity of a person does not align with the gender they were assigned (based on their external biology) at birth.
The specific precipitating factors aren’t fully understood, but science is telling us that gender identity reflects genetic, biological, and likely environmental factors. Some people are gender incongruent, and born that way. It isn’t an illness and it doesn’t need ‘fixing’.
Gender dysmorphia is a term used to describe the distress a person may experience due to gender incongruence. This is a sexxual condition (previously described as a mental illness) requiring treatment.
The kinds of treatment and therapies we are talking about have been designed to help alleviate gender dysmorphia; i.e they’re designed to help gender incongruent people deal with distress related to what society deems to be the mismatch between their outward biology and their gender identity. They aren’t designed to ‘cure’ (an untreatable) gender incongruence, in the same way that, for example, cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) can be used to help people with autism deal with ADHD: the CBT is designed to help sufferers cope with ADHD; not to attempt to ‘cure’ an untreatable autism.
I have no idea what acceptance of human genetic and biological traits (which, again, we see replicated across the animal and plant kingdoms) has to do with glorification.
posted on 21/6/23
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 8 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Mr A (U12035)
posted 7 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 4 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Mr A (U12035)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 18 hours, 18 minutes ago
“Gender dysphoria is a mental illness”
Gender dysphoria is a condition *arising from* gender incongruence.
Being transgender, identifying as being trans, is categorically *not* a mental illness.
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The quote marks suggest thats word for word what I said - think I posed it more as a question.
I'm not a specialist (in case that needed clarifying haha) but Mental Illness = a condition which causes serious disorder in a persons behaviour or thinking. So again how can we say that gender issues - dysphoria or incongruence, feel free to expand on the difference between the two - are not exactly that, a disorder in a persons thinking? We're talking about people that are uncomfortable in the bodies they were born with, right?
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There are accepted clinical and academic definitions of gender incongruence, gender dysphoria and mental illness.
Here’s a useful WHO link:
https://www.who.int/standards/classifications/frequently-asked-questions/gender-incongruence-and-transgender-health-in-the-icd
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Okay, lets accept that incongruence/dysphoria is not a mental illness but a sexual illness/condition?
Should we treat it or accept it (along with the ramifications of glorifying it)?
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It doesn’t sound like you’ve recognised the distinction between gender incongruence and gender dysphoria.
Gender incongruence is a condition in which the gender identity of a person does not align with the gender they were assigned (based on their external biology) at birth.
The specific precipitating factors aren’t fully understood, but science is telling us that gender identity reflects genetic, biological, and likely environmental factors. Some people are gender incongruent, and born that way. It isn’t an illness and it doesn’t need ‘fixing’.
Gender dysmorphia is a term used to describe the distress a person may experience due to gender incongruence. This is a sexxual condition (previously described as a mental illness) requiring treatment.
The kinds of treatment and therapies we are talking about have been designed to help alleviate gender dysmorphia; i.e they’re designed to help gender incongruent people deal with distress related to what society deems to be the mismatch between their outward biology and their gender identity. They aren’t designed to ‘cure’ (an untreatable) gender incongruence, in the same way that, for example, cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) can be used to help people with autism deal with ADHD: the CBT is designed to help sufferers cope with ADHD; not to attempt to ‘cure’ an untreatable autism.
I have no idea what acceptance of human genetic and biological traits (which, again, we see replicated across the animal and plant kingdoms) has to do with glorification.
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It isn’t an illness and it doesn’t need ‘fixing’.
So if we don't accept it as an illness, we're leaning towards acceptance then? It is what it is and theres nothing we can do about it? Lets accept cancer, schizophrenia, AIDS while we're at it? I know I'll get the 'apples and oranges' again.
Like I've said, I'm not personally invested, so probably ignorant on most stuff you're sending my way
posted on 21/6/23
comment by Mr A (U12035)
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comment by Mr A (U12035)
posted 7 hours, 58 minutes ago
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comment by Mr A (U12035)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 18 hours, 18 minutes ago
“Gender dysphoria is a mental illness”
Gender dysphoria is a condition *arising from* gender incongruence.
Being transgender, identifying as being trans, is categorically *not* a mental illness.
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The quote marks suggest thats word for word what I said - think I posed it more as a question.
I'm not a specialist (in case that needed clarifying haha) but Mental Illness = a condition which causes serious disorder in a persons behaviour or thinking. So again how can we say that gender issues - dysphoria or incongruence, feel free to expand on the difference between the two - are not exactly that, a disorder in a persons thinking? We're talking about people that are uncomfortable in the bodies they were born with, right?
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There are accepted clinical and academic definitions of gender incongruence, gender dysphoria and mental illness.
Here’s a useful WHO link:
https://www.who.int/standards/classifications/frequently-asked-questions/gender-incongruence-and-transgender-health-in-the-icd
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Okay, lets accept that incongruence/dysphoria is not a mental illness but a sexual illness/condition?
Should we treat it or accept it (along with the ramifications of glorifying it)?
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It doesn’t sound like you’ve recognised the distinction between gender incongruence and gender dysphoria.
Gender incongruence is a condition in which the gender identity of a person does not align with the gender they were assigned (based on their external biology) at birth.
The specific precipitating factors aren’t fully understood, but science is telling us that gender identity reflects genetic, biological, and likely environmental factors. Some people are gender incongruent, and born that way. It isn’t an illness and it doesn’t need ‘fixing’.
Gender dysmorphia is a term used to describe the distress a person may experience due to gender incongruence. This is a sexxual condition (previously described as a mental illness) requiring treatment.
The kinds of treatment and therapies we are talking about have been designed to help alleviate gender dysmorphia; i.e they’re designed to help gender incongruent people deal with distress related to what society deems to be the mismatch between their outward biology and their gender identity. They aren’t designed to ‘cure’ (an untreatable) gender incongruence, in the same way that, for example, cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) can be used to help people with autism deal with ADHD: the CBT is designed to help sufferers cope with ADHD; not to attempt to ‘cure’ an untreatable autism.
I have no idea what acceptance of human genetic and biological traits (which, again, we see replicated across the animal and plant kingdoms) has to do with glorification.
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It isn’t an illness and it doesn’t need ‘fixing’.
So if we don't accept it as an illness, we're leaning towards acceptance then? It is what it is and theres nothing we can do about it? Lets accept cancer, schizophrenia, AIDS while we're at it? I know I'll get the 'apples and oranges' again.
Like I've said, I'm not personally invested, so probably ignorant on most stuff you're sending my way
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Sorry - *if we dont treat as an illness
posted on 21/6/23
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comment by Mr A (U12035)
posted 7 hours, 58 minutes ago
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posted 4 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Mr A (U12035)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 18 hours, 18 minutes ago
“Gender dysphoria is a mental illness”
Gender dysphoria is a condition *arising from* gender incongruence.
Being transgender, identifying as being trans, is categorically *not* a mental illness.
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The quote marks suggest thats word for word what I said - think I posed it more as a question.
I'm not a specialist (in case that needed clarifying haha) but Mental Illness = a condition which causes serious disorder in a persons behaviour or thinking. So again how can we say that gender issues - dysphoria or incongruence, feel free to expand on the difference between the two - are not exactly that, a disorder in a persons thinking? We're talking about people that are uncomfortable in the bodies they were born with, right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are accepted clinical and academic definitions of gender incongruence, gender dysphoria and mental illness.
Here’s a useful WHO link:
https://www.who.int/standards/classifications/frequently-asked-questions/gender-incongruence-and-transgender-health-in-the-icd
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Okay, lets accept that incongruence/dysphoria is not a mental illness but a sexual illness/condition?
Should we treat it or accept it (along with the ramifications of glorifying it)?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It doesn’t sound like you’ve recognised the distinction between gender incongruence and gender dysphoria.
Gender incongruence is a condition in which the gender identity of a person does not align with the gender they were assigned (based on their external biology) at birth.
The specific precipitating factors aren’t fully understood, but science is telling us that gender identity reflects genetic, biological, and likely environmental factors. Some people are gender incongruent, and born that way. It isn’t an illness and it doesn’t need ‘fixing’.
Gender dysmorphia is a term used to describe the distress a person may experience due to gender incongruence. This is a sexxual condition (previously described as a mental illness) requiring treatment.
The kinds of treatment and therapies we are talking about have been designed to help alleviate gender dysmorphia; i.e they’re designed to help gender incongruent people deal with distress related to what society deems to be the mismatch between their outward biology and their gender identity. They aren’t designed to ‘cure’ (an untreatable) gender incongruence, in the same way that, for example, cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) can be used to help people with autism deal with ADHD: the CBT is designed to help sufferers cope with ADHD; not to attempt to ‘cure’ an untreatable autism.
I have no idea what acceptance of human genetic and biological traits (which, again, we see replicated across the animal and plant kingdoms) has to do with glorification.
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It isn’t an illness and it doesn’t need ‘fixing’.
So if we don't accept it as an illness, we're leaning towards acceptance then? It is what it is and theres nothing we can do about it? Lets accept cancer, schizophrenia, AIDS while we're at it? I know I'll get the 'apples and oranges' again.
Like I've said, I'm not personally invested, so probably ignorant on most stuff you're sending my way
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Sorry - *if we dont treat as an illness
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Honestly, I reread the distinction couple more times and I kind of get it. So gender incongruence is untreatable and its dysmorphia that requires surgery?
posted on 21/6/23
So if we don't accept it as an illness, we're leaning towards acceptance then? It is what it is and theres nothing we can do about it? Lets accept cancer, schizophrenia, AIDS while we're at it? I know I'll get the 'apples and oranges' again.
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Out of interest, what exactly is it about gender incongruence that you are suggesting be 'treated'? Treatment regimes for Schizophrenia, cancer and HIV all have tangible targets and end-goals. What would that be in this case?
posted on 21/6/23
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 11 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 43 minutes ago
Don't give the WHO any credit, because they haven't made huge contributions spanning decades to saving the lives of hundreds of millions worldwide. Give it to the Dreary Male instead, they only loved the Naaazis for about 5 minutes.
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As with most organisations they start well but get too political and corrupt.
The WHO failed us with the covid response, Taiwan warned them of human to human transmission dec 31 2019, because of the political issues with China/Taiwan, WHO ignored their warnings.
They could've stopped people leaving China from then which could've helped stop the pandemic spreading.
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The WHO has made a great many mistakes, but it's also overseen a vast improvement in global health since it was founded in 1948, and they continue to do great work even despite the hostile political environment some people have created to serve their own political agendas.
On the specific issue you raise, here's a press release from the Taiwan CDC, dated 4th April, 2020:
https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/PAD-lbwDHeN_bLa-viBOuw?typeid=158
In short, they did not "warn" of h2h transmission, but expressed their concern that it might prove to be the case. Huge difference, which I guess some might not know, but which others have willingly had to overlook in order to make out that Taiwan had prior confirmation, which is patently false as per the Taiwan CDC itself.
They also recognise their concerns were founded upon suspicions, stating that these were based not on any direct sources or experience on the ground, but on reports found online and their own prior experience with SARS - at a time when the pathogen involved in Wuhan had not even been communicated to the WHO.
It's all too easy to say what each party ought to have been done in hindsight, but I'm not sure closing anyone's borders is within the WHO's remit or powers.
In any event, such a measure to close down the world's largest economy would have seemed pretty extreme at a point when not one single death due to the novel illness had been reported. It's beyond ironic that these calls should be made from the same radical free market advocates who supported the opening up of economies once the deadliness of the virus was well known. Hindsight is such a beautiful thing.
posted on 21/6/23
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
So if we don't accept it as an illness, we're leaning towards acceptance then? It is what it is and theres nothing we can do about it? Lets accept cancer, schizophrenia, AIDS while we're at it? I know I'll get the 'apples and oranges' again.
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Out of interest, what exactly is it about gender incongruence that you are suggesting be 'treated'? Treatment regimes for Schizophrenia, cancer and HIV all have tangible targets and end-goals. What would that be in this case?
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The definitions that you gave suggest incongruence doesn't need treated. But if it leads to dysmorphia is there a reason the only treatment is surgery? Biological males being comfortable as a male would be the end goal, no?
posted on 21/6/23
comment by Mr A (U12035)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
So if we don't accept it as an illness, we're leaning towards acceptance then? It is what it is and theres nothing we can do about it? Lets accept cancer, schizophrenia, AIDS while we're at it? I know I'll get the 'apples and oranges' again.
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Out of interest, what exactly is it about gender incongruence that you are suggesting be 'treated'? Treatment regimes for Schizophrenia, cancer and HIV all have tangible targets and end-goals. What would that be in this case?
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The definitions that you gave suggest incongruence doesn't need treated. But if it leads to dysmorphia is there a reason the only treatment is surgery? Biological males being comfortable as a male would be the end goal, no?
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Well I'm not sure such a treatment exists - at least not one which is substantially evidence-based. But say for a minute it does, I would say it should be ultimately up to the individual- if they would rather go through gender reassignment, then I really dont see why it should bother anyone else. Which circles back to how pointless attitudes like the OP's are.
posted on 21/6/23
Yup
Anybody who feels there body is ‘rong’ gender after seeing doctor n being toled whut it takes in surgeries…. n still wants 2 go ahead is very serius about it.
The ones who pretend as think it is ‘cool’ will not
posted on 21/6/23
comment by Mr A (U12035)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
So if we don't accept it as an illness, we're leaning towards acceptance then? It is what it is and theres nothing we can do about it? Lets accept cancer, schizophrenia, AIDS while we're at it? I know I'll get the 'apples and oranges' again.
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Out of interest, what exactly is it about gender incongruence that you are suggesting be 'treated'? Treatment regimes for Schizophrenia, cancer and HIV all have tangible targets and end-goals. What would that be in this case?
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The definitions that you gave suggest incongruence doesn't need treated. But if it leads to dysmorphia is there a reason the only treatment is surgery? Biological males being comfortable as a male would be the end goal, no?
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Given that one (or several) of the precipitating factors is genetic, if that was your end goal, we’d be talking about (at least) editing people’s genetic codes.