Guglielmo Vicario

comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 seconds ago
We won one poxy League Cup under Sugar, his tenure was worse than ENIC`s, although he did rescue the club so he deserves some credit for that. The 91 FA Cup win was a few weeks before Sugar took over.

All ENIC have done is use Tottenham Hotspur Football Club to maximize their investment, they have never been focused on delivering silverware ahead of increasing the value of the club, and that will never change.

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I went to a Champions league final to watch my team....no Spurs fans has ever said that before.

I am 50. I can remember Spurs early 80s FA Cup and UEFA wins, although i am not actually sure i can remember the City one, Ricky Villa. Since then I have seen Spurs win 3 cups, since i was 10. SO basically my entire Spurs supporting life has been watching and supporting my team for the love and enjoyment of it.

Any idiot can say "i have a losers mentality" blah blah but actually my experience of being a fan, as it probably is with 80-90% of all football fans, is the joy of watching football, the highs and the lows, the emotion, the memories. Yes trophies & success are the highest of the high and I would love for Spurs to be supremely successful, but i am not going to make out that ENIC have destroyed this club and turned it and the fans into losers, because actually we have never been prolific winners, so to expect us to be that now is daft.

The occassional trophy is a realistic expectation and it should have happened, and i would put Levy's obsession with top 4 a key factor in this failure, BUT winning anything is getting harder and harder since the inception of the premier league which has allowed 3 or 4 teams to dominate, and that domination linked to massive spending.

I try to apply some perspective to things. In the last 6 years City have won 11 out of 18 domestic trophies, including the league 5 out of 6 times & the League cup 4 years on the trot.

The rest have been feeding on scraps. 7 trophies over 6 years shared amongst the other 19 clubs.

I am appalled when we go out of cups like we did this year and vs Boro last year. Dreadful performances, but the blame for that does not fall on 1 man.

Spurs spend what they earn and the owners have maximised our earnings. Yes hat increases the value of the club for them but ultimately we have resources to compete with clubs who operate in a similar fashion - Liverpool, Arsenal and we are a country mile ahead of other contemparies like Villa, Everton etc

I don't lack ambition. I am hugely disappointed by this season, it is unacceptable and we should be doing a lot better and should have had more success over the last 15 years, even if it isnt the very biggest trophies. But my ambition is framed by realism and my understanding of being a football fan which goes much deeper that trophies.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 seconds ago
We won one poxy League Cup under Sugar, his tenure was worse than ENIC`s, although he did rescue the club so he deserves some credit for that. The 91 FA Cup win was a few weeks before Sugar took over.

All ENIC have done is use Tottenham Hotspur Football Club to maximize their investment, they have never been focused on delivering silverware ahead of increasing the value of the club, and that will never change.

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I went to a Champions league final to watch my team....no Spurs fans has ever said that before.

I am 50. I can remember Spurs early 80s FA Cup and UEFA wins, although i am not actually sure i can remember the City one, Ricky Villa. Since then I have seen Spurs win 3 cups, since i was 10. SO basically my entire Spurs supporting life has been watching and supporting my team for the love and enjoyment of it.

Any idiot can say "i have a losers mentality" blah blah but actually my experience of being a fan, as it probably is with 80-90% of all football fans, is the joy of watching football, the highs and the lows, the emotion, the memories. Yes trophies & success are the highest of the high and I would love for Spurs to be supremely successful, but i am not going to make out that ENIC have destroyed this club and turned it and the fans into losers, because actually we have never been prolific winners, so to expect us to be that now is daft.

The occassional trophy is a realistic expectation and it should have happened, and i would put Levy's obsession with top 4 a key factor in this failure, BUT winning anything is getting harder and harder since the inception of the premier league which has allowed 3 or 4 teams to dominate, and that domination linked to massive spending.

I try to apply some perspective to things. In the last 6 years City have won 11 out of 18 domestic trophies, including the league 5 out of 6 times & the League cup 4 years on the trot.

The rest have been feeding on scraps. 7 trophies over 6 years shared amongst the other 19 clubs.

I am appalled when we go out of cups like we did this year and vs Boro last year. Dreadful performances, but the blame for that does not fall on 1 man.

Spurs spend what they earn and the owners have maximised our earnings. Yes hat increases the value of the club for them but ultimately we have resources to compete with clubs who operate in a similar fashion - Liverpool, Arsenal and we are a country mile ahead of other contemparies like Villa, Everton etc

I don't lack ambition. I am hugely disappointed by this season, it is unacceptable and we should be doing a lot better and should have had more success over the last 15 years, even if it isnt the very biggest trophies. But my ambition is framed by realism and my understanding of being a football fan which goes much deeper that trophies.
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I still can’t understand your support for Enic. They literally have no ambition other than to get fourth and make more money. That’s why manager after manager puts out weakened teams in cup competitions. Because they have to prioritise getting fourth or they will be fired.

There have been so so many absolute calamitous decisions from levy. Unforgivable. They were ALL because he values top four over EVERYTHING. He went on about our DNA then hired nuno and conte. Both couldn’t have been further from our dna.

The man’s an absolute disaster when it comes to football and his ego simply will not allow anyone else to take control.

If we do badly this year, especially if Poch wins things at Chelsea (makes me sick to my bones to have to see him with them) then it will get uglier than it ever has for levy imo.

I simply cannot understand anyone who thinks he is doing a good job with the football side of things at spurs and the reason he is such a disaster is that it is simply not his priority

comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 seconds ago
We won one poxy League Cup under Sugar, his tenure was worse than ENIC`s, although he did rescue the club so he deserves some credit for that. The 91 FA Cup win was a few weeks before Sugar took over.

All ENIC have done is use Tottenham Hotspur Football Club to maximize their investment, they have never been focused on delivering silverware ahead of increasing the value of the club, and that will never change.

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I went to a Champions league final to watch my team....no Spurs fans has ever said that before.

I am 50. I can remember Spurs early 80s FA Cup and UEFA wins, although i am not actually sure i can remember the City one, Ricky Villa. Since then I have seen Spurs win 3 cups, since i was 10. SO basically my entire Spurs supporting life has been watching and supporting my team for the love and enjoyment of it.

Any idiot can say "i have a losers mentality" blah blah but actually my experience of being a fan, as it probably is with 80-90% of all football fans, is the joy of watching football, the highs and the lows, the emotion, the memories. Yes trophies & success are the highest of the high and I would love for Spurs to be supremely successful, but i am not going to make out that ENIC have destroyed this club and turned it and the fans into losers, because actually we have never been prolific winners, so to expect us to be that now is daft.

The occassional trophy is a realistic expectation and it should have happened, and i would put Levy's obsession with top 4 a key factor in this failure, BUT winning anything is getting harder and harder since the inception of the premier league which has allowed 3 or 4 teams to dominate, and that domination linked to massive spending.

I try to apply some perspective to things. In the last 6 years City have won 11 out of 18 domestic trophies, including the league 5 out of 6 times & the League cup 4 years on the trot.

The rest have been feeding on scraps. 7 trophies over 6 years shared amongst the other 19 clubs.

I am appalled when we go out of cups like we did this year and vs Boro last year. Dreadful performances, but the blame for that does not fall on 1 man.

Spurs spend what they earn and the owners have maximised our earnings. Yes hat increases the value of the club for them but ultimately we have resources to compete with clubs who operate in a similar fashion - Liverpool, Arsenal and we are a country mile ahead of other contemparies like Villa, Everton etc

I don't lack ambition. I am hugely disappointed by this season, it is unacceptable and we should be doing a lot better and should have had more success over the last 15 years, even if it isnt the very biggest trophies. But my ambition is framed by realism and my understanding of being a football fan which goes much deeper that trophies.
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I still can’t understand your support for Enic. They literally have no ambition other than to get fourth and make more money. That’s why manager after manager puts out weakened teams in cup competitions. Because they have to prioritise getting fourth or they will be fired.

There have been so so many absolute calamitous decisions from levy. Unforgivable. They were ALL because he values top four over EVERYTHING. He went on about our DNA then hired nuno and conte. Both couldn’t have been further from our dna.

The man’s an absolute disaster when it comes to football and his ego simply will not allow anyone else to take control.

If we do badly this year, especially if Poch wins things at Chelsea (makes me sick to my bones to have to see him with them) then it will get uglier than it ever has for levy imo.

I simply cannot understand anyone who thinks he is doing a good job with the football side of things at spurs and the reason he is such a disaster is that it is simply not his priority
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My support for the ownership isnt absolute. They really are coming to the end of the line for most fans, for some this happened a while ago.

I just look around and see how hard it is to compete. Sure if we had an oil funded owner then may be it would be different but that isnt my aspiration and i am not going to judge them against what others can and have spent.

If they were pocketing profits then i'd be very angry, but what they have done is massively increase our revenues and then invested what we have. So I am not going to kill them from a financial side.

Nor will slate them for negotiating deals and getting the best that we can afford. Many on here slagging them because we had moved away from £40m Raya to a cheaper option and can move decisively on that if we want. That's good planning! How big do people think our budgets are. Just bought Deki £30m, so Raya for £40m is £70m in already, with 2 CBs and a CM needed on top!

The last 3 years have been shiiiit and the decision making at the top a massive factor in that BUT that is off the back of some massive progress on the pitch and huge progress financially. It hasnt always been bad decisions and bad judgements and therefore I am willing to give them a bit more time that I think they've earned.

That doesnt mean i love them, or are a Levy ball-licker, it is a thoughtful opinion judging over their tenure and not the fact that the last few seasons have been garbage.

My starting point from all this is as mentioned earlier. A life long fan who has seen little success, supporting the 5th or 6th biggest club in the league.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 seconds ago
We won one poxy League Cup under Sugar, his tenure was worse than ENIC`s, although he did rescue the club so he deserves some credit for that. The 91 FA Cup win was a few weeks before Sugar took over.

All ENIC have done is use Tottenham Hotspur Football Club to maximize their investment, they have never been focused on delivering silverware ahead of increasing the value of the club, and that will never change.

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I went to a Champions league final to watch my team....no Spurs fans has ever said that before.

I am 50. I can remember Spurs early 80s FA Cup and UEFA wins, although i am not actually sure i can remember the City one, Ricky Villa. Since then I have seen Spurs win 3 cups, since i was 10. SO basically my entire Spurs supporting life has been watching and supporting my team for the love and enjoyment of it.

Any idiot can say "i have a losers mentality" blah blah but actually my experience of being a fan, as it probably is with 80-90% of all football fans, is the joy of watching football, the highs and the lows, the emotion, the memories. Yes trophies & success are the highest of the high and I would love for Spurs to be supremely successful, but i am not going to make out that ENIC have destroyed this club and turned it and the fans into losers, because actually we have never been prolific winners, so to expect us to be that now is daft.

The occassional trophy is a realistic expectation and it should have happened, and i would put Levy's obsession with top 4 a key factor in this failure, BUT winning anything is getting harder and harder since the inception of the premier league which has allowed 3 or 4 teams to dominate, and that domination linked to massive spending.

I try to apply some perspective to things. In the last 6 years City have won 11 out of 18 domestic trophies, including the league 5 out of 6 times & the League cup 4 years on the trot.

The rest have been feeding on scraps. 7 trophies over 6 years shared amongst the other 19 clubs.

I am appalled when we go out of cups like we did this year and vs Boro last year. Dreadful performances, but the blame for that does not fall on 1 man.

Spurs spend what they earn and the owners have maximised our earnings. Yes hat increases the value of the club for them but ultimately we have resources to compete with clubs who operate in a similar fashion - Liverpool, Arsenal and we are a country mile ahead of other contemparies like Villa, Everton etc

I don't lack ambition. I am hugely disappointed by this season, it is unacceptable and we should be doing a lot better and should have had more success over the last 15 years, even if it isnt the very biggest trophies. But my ambition is framed by realism and my understanding of being a football fan which goes much deeper that trophies.
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I still can’t understand your support for Enic. They literally have no ambition other than to get fourth and make more money. That’s why manager after manager puts out weakened teams in cup competitions. Because they have to prioritise getting fourth or they will be fired.

There have been so so many absolute calamitous decisions from levy. Unforgivable. They were ALL because he values top four over EVERYTHING. He went on about our DNA then hired nuno and conte. Both couldn’t have been further from our dna.

The man’s an absolute disaster when it comes to football and his ego simply will not allow anyone else to take control.

If we do badly this year, especially if Poch wins things at Chelsea (makes me sick to my bones to have to see him with them) then it will get uglier than it ever has for levy imo.

I simply cannot understand anyone who thinks he is doing a good job with the football side of things at spurs and the reason he is such a disaster is that it is simply not his priority
----------------------------------------------------------------------

My support for the ownership isnt absolute. They really are coming to the end of the line for most fans, for some this happened a while ago.

I just look around and see how hard it is to compete. Sure if we had an oil funded owner then may be it would be different but that isnt my aspiration and i am not going to judge them against what others can and have spent.

If they were pocketing profits then i'd be very angry, but what they have done is massively increase our revenues and then invested what we have. So I am not going to kill them from a financial side.

Nor will slate them for negotiating deals and getting the best that we can afford. Many on here slagging them because we had moved away from £40m Raya to a cheaper option and can move decisively on that if we want. That's good planning! How big do people think our budgets are. Just bought Deki £30m, so Raya for £40m is £70m in already, with 2 CBs and a CM needed on top!

The last 3 years have been shiiiit and the decision making at the top a massive factor in that BUT that is off the back of some massive progress on the pitch and huge progress financially. It hasnt always been bad decisions and bad judgements and therefore I am willing to give them a bit more time that I think they've earned.

That doesnt mean i love them, or are a Levy ball-licker, it is a thoughtful opinion judging over their tenure and not the fact that the last few seasons have been garbage.

My starting point from all this is as mentioned earlier. A life long fan who has seen little success, supporting the 5th or 6th biggest club in the league.


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I’m sorry mate but of course they’ve given themselves financial gain. They’ve used the tottenham brand to build an entertainment venue. They will one day sell and make themselves 40 odd times the investment they put in. And what has it got us? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I don’t care if we have a hotel or if the training facilities are nice. I don’t give a f a ck about any of that. I’m a Tottenham Hotspur fan. To dare is to do. Enic had every chance to win something. They didn’t have to spend oil money when they chose not to buy skriniar or Grealish or anyone at all for three transfer windows. They simply valued building a hotel over that. Some fans, including me, felt it would all be worth it. But do you know what? It isn’t. We are no better off. In fact we are worse.

I simply do not believe this board care about winning anything. They just care about coming fourth, making money and getting nfl in. I honestly don’t think we will win a trophy under Enic. Because they just don’t want it enough.

What other big club in Europe has won one trophy in nearly a quarter of a century? We have a massive fanbase. We pay to dollar. Expect more. Don’t accept bland. Don’t let Enic off the hook.

Love Tottenham Hotspur

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 seconds ago
We won one poxy League Cup under Sugar, his tenure was worse than ENIC`s, although he did rescue the club so he deserves some credit for that. The 91 FA Cup win was a few weeks before Sugar took over.

All ENIC have done is use Tottenham Hotspur Football Club to maximize their investment, they have never been focused on delivering silverware ahead of increasing the value of the club, and that will never change.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I went to a Champions league final to watch my team....no Spurs fans has ever said that before.

I am 50. I can remember Spurs early 80s FA Cup and UEFA wins, although i am not actually sure i can remember the City one, Ricky Villa. Since then I have seen Spurs win 3 cups, since i was 10. SO basically my entire Spurs supporting life has been watching and supporting my team for the love and enjoyment of it.

Any idiot can say "i have a losers mentality" blah blah but actually my experience of being a fan, as it probably is with 80-90% of all football fans, is the joy of watching football, the highs and the lows, the emotion, the memories. Yes trophies & success are the highest of the high and I would love for Spurs to be supremely successful, but i am not going to make out that ENIC have destroyed this club and turned it and the fans into losers, because actually we have never been prolific winners, so to expect us to be that now is daft.

The occassional trophy is a realistic expectation and it should have happened, and i would put Levy's obsession with top 4 a key factor in this failure, BUT winning anything is getting harder and harder since the inception of the premier league which has allowed 3 or 4 teams to dominate, and that domination linked to massive spending.

I try to apply some perspective to things. In the last 6 years City have won 11 out of 18 domestic trophies, including the league 5 out of 6 times & the League cup 4 years on the trot.

The rest have been feeding on scraps. 7 trophies over 6 years shared amongst the other 19 clubs.

I am appalled when we go out of cups like we did this year and vs Boro last year. Dreadful performances, but the blame for that does not fall on 1 man.

Spurs spend what they earn and the owners have maximised our earnings. Yes hat increases the value of the club for them but ultimately we have resources to compete with clubs who operate in a similar fashion - Liverpool, Arsenal and we are a country mile ahead of other contemparies like Villa, Everton etc

I don't lack ambition. I am hugely disappointed by this season, it is unacceptable and we should be doing a lot better and should have had more success over the last 15 years, even if it isnt the very biggest trophies. But my ambition is framed by realism and my understanding of being a football fan which goes much deeper that trophies.
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Great post. Yeh some if our whingng fanbase need to give their head a wobble. I was lucky to See Spurs during their best period 1961 to mid 1980s, where they won the majority of their trophies. Prior to 1961 from when they were formed in 1882 they had won just three trophies in 72 seasons, less the years lost to the two wars.

So a few lean years in the 21st century is hardly something for fans to go throwing their toys out of the Pram and expecting to win trophies every season, especially now the financially doped rule the roost.

I support the club because I love then, not because I expect them to hoover up trophies every season.

comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 seconds ago
We won one poxy League Cup under Sugar, his tenure was worse than ENIC`s, although he did rescue the club so he deserves some credit for that. The 91 FA Cup win was a few weeks before Sugar took over.

All ENIC have done is use Tottenham Hotspur Football Club to maximize their investment, they have never been focused on delivering silverware ahead of increasing the value of the club, and that will never change.

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I went to a Champions league final to watch my team....no Spurs fans has ever said that before.

I am 50. I can remember Spurs early 80s FA Cup and UEFA wins, although i am not actually sure i can remember the City one, Ricky Villa. Since then I have seen Spurs win 3 cups, since i was 10. SO basically my entire Spurs supporting life has been watching and supporting my team for the love and enjoyment of it.

Any idiot can say "i have a losers mentality" blah blah but actually my experience of being a fan, as it probably is with 80-90% of all football fans, is the joy of watching football, the highs and the lows, the emotion, the memories. Yes trophies & success are the highest of the high and I would love for Spurs to be supremely successful, but i am not going to make out that ENIC have destroyed this club and turned it and the fans into losers, because actually we have never been prolific winners, so to expect us to be that now is daft.

The occassional trophy is a realistic expectation and it should have happened, and i would put Levy's obsession with top 4 a key factor in this failure, BUT winning anything is getting harder and harder since the inception of the premier league which has allowed 3 or 4 teams to dominate, and that domination linked to massive spending.

I try to apply some perspective to things. In the last 6 years City have won 11 out of 18 domestic trophies, including the league 5 out of 6 times & the League cup 4 years on the trot.

The rest have been feeding on scraps. 7 trophies over 6 years shared amongst the other 19 clubs.

I am appalled when we go out of cups like we did this year and vs Boro last year. Dreadful performances, but the blame for that does not fall on 1 man.

Spurs spend what they earn and the owners have maximised our earnings. Yes hat increases the value of the club for them but ultimately we have resources to compete with clubs who operate in a similar fashion - Liverpool, Arsenal and we are a country mile ahead of other contemparies like Villa, Everton etc

I don't lack ambition. I am hugely disappointed by this season, it is unacceptable and we should be doing a lot better and should have had more success over the last 15 years, even if it isnt the very biggest trophies. But my ambition is framed by realism and my understanding of being a football fan which goes much deeper that trophies.
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I still can’t understand your support for Enic. They literally have no ambition other than to get fourth and make more money. That’s why manager after manager puts out weakened teams in cup competitions. Because they have to prioritise getting fourth or they will be fired.

There have been so so many absolute calamitous decisions from levy. Unforgivable. They were ALL because he values top four over EVERYTHING. He went on about our DNA then hired nuno and conte. Both couldn’t have been further from our dna.

The man’s an absolute disaster when it comes to football and his ego simply will not allow anyone else to take control.

If we do badly this year, especially if Poch wins things at Chelsea (makes me sick to my bones to have to see him with them) then it will get uglier than it ever has for levy imo.

I simply cannot understand anyone who thinks he is doing a good job with the football side of things at spurs and the reason he is such a disaster is that it is simply not his priority
----------------------------------------------------------------------

My support for the ownership isnt absolute. They really are coming to the end of the line for most fans, for some this happened a while ago.

I just look around and see how hard it is to compete. Sure if we had an oil funded owner then may be it would be different but that isnt my aspiration and i am not going to judge them against what others can and have spent.

If they were pocketing profits then i'd be very angry, but what they have done is massively increase our revenues and then invested what we have. So I am not going to kill them from a financial side.

Nor will slate them for negotiating deals and getting the best that we can afford. Many on here slagging them because we had moved away from £40m Raya to a cheaper option and can move decisively on that if we want. That's good planning! How big do people think our budgets are. Just bought Deki £30m, so Raya for £40m is £70m in already, with 2 CBs and a CM needed on top!

The last 3 years have been shiiiit and the decision making at the top a massive factor in that BUT that is off the back of some massive progress on the pitch and huge progress financially. It hasnt always been bad decisions and bad judgements and therefore I am willing to give them a bit more time that I think they've earned.

That doesnt mean i love them, or are a Levy ball-licker, it is a thoughtful opinion judging over their tenure and not the fact that the last few seasons have been garbage.

My starting point from all this is as mentioned earlier. A life long fan who has seen little success, supporting the 5th or 6th biggest club in the league.


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I’m sorry mate but of course they’ve given themselves financial gain. They’ve used the tottenham brand to build an entertainment venue. They will one day sell and make themselves 40 odd times the investment they put in. And what has it got us? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I don’t care if we have a hotel or if the training facilities are nice. I don’t give a f a ck about any of that. I’m a Tottenham Hotspur fan. To dare is to do. Enic had every chance to win something. They didn’t have to spend oil money when they chose not to buy skriniar or Grealish or anyone at all for three transfer windows. They simply valued building a hotel over that. Some fans, including me, felt it would all be worth it. But do you know what? It isn’t. We are no better off. In fact we are worse.

I simply do not believe this board care about winning anything. They just care about coming fourth, making money and getting nfl in. I honestly don’t think we will win a trophy under Enic. Because they just don’t want it enough.

What other big club in Europe has won one trophy in nearly a quarter of a century? We have a massive fanbase. We pay to dollar. Expect more. Don’t accept bland. Don’t let Enic off the hook.

Love Tottenham Hotspur

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Remember that £150m of share capital that ENIC raised, what happened to the £50m that was never drawn down? That could have been used to sign a much needed top class CB, but instead Levy decided to persist with the existing mob. Where has that £50m gone, it is no doubt paying for Go Karts and a hotel.

ENIC are mugging the fans off, we should and could be doing so much better, but Levy keeps the football team in this cycle of mediocrity and shietes himself every time we get close to winning something.

comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 seconds ago
We won one poxy League Cup under Sugar, his tenure was worse than ENIC`s, although he did rescue the club so he deserves some credit for that. The 91 FA Cup win was a few weeks before Sugar took over.

All ENIC have done is use Tottenham Hotspur Football Club to maximize their investment, they have never been focused on delivering silverware ahead of increasing the value of the club, and that will never change.

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I went to a Champions league final to watch my team....no Spurs fans has ever said that before.

I am 50. I can remember Spurs early 80s FA Cup and UEFA wins, although i am not actually sure i can remember the City one, Ricky Villa. Since then I have seen Spurs win 3 cups, since i was 10. SO basically my entire Spurs supporting life has been watching and supporting my team for the love and enjoyment of it.

Any idiot can say "i have a losers mentality" blah blah but actually my experience of being a fan, as it probably is with 80-90% of all football fans, is the joy of watching football, the highs and the lows, the emotion, the memories. Yes trophies & success are the highest of the high and I would love for Spurs to be supremely successful, but i am not going to make out that ENIC have destroyed this club and turned it and the fans into losers, because actually we have never been prolific winners, so to expect us to be that now is daft.

The occassional trophy is a realistic expectation and it should have happened, and i would put Levy's obsession with top 4 a key factor in this failure, BUT winning anything is getting harder and harder since the inception of the premier league which has allowed 3 or 4 teams to dominate, and that domination linked to massive spending.

I try to apply some perspective to things. In the last 6 years City have won 11 out of 18 domestic trophies, including the league 5 out of 6 times & the League cup 4 years on the trot.

The rest have been feeding on scraps. 7 trophies over 6 years shared amongst the other 19 clubs.

I am appalled when we go out of cups like we did this year and vs Boro last year. Dreadful performances, but the blame for that does not fall on 1 man.

Spurs spend what they earn and the owners have maximised our earnings. Yes hat increases the value of the club for them but ultimately we have resources to compete with clubs who operate in a similar fashion - Liverpool, Arsenal and we are a country mile ahead of other contemparies like Villa, Everton etc

I don't lack ambition. I am hugely disappointed by this season, it is unacceptable and we should be doing a lot better and should have had more success over the last 15 years, even if it isnt the very biggest trophies. But my ambition is framed by realism and my understanding of being a football fan which goes much deeper that trophies.
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I still can’t understand your support for Enic. They literally have no ambition other than to get fourth and make more money. That’s why manager after manager puts out weakened teams in cup competitions. Because they have to prioritise getting fourth or they will be fired.

There have been so so many absolute calamitous decisions from levy. Unforgivable. They were ALL because he values top four over EVERYTHING. He went on about our DNA then hired nuno and conte. Both couldn’t have been further from our dna.

The man’s an absolute disaster when it comes to football and his ego simply will not allow anyone else to take control.

If we do badly this year, especially if Poch wins things at Chelsea (makes me sick to my bones to have to see him with them) then it will get uglier than it ever has for levy imo.

I simply cannot understand anyone who thinks he is doing a good job with the football side of things at spurs and the reason he is such a disaster is that it is simply not his priority
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My support for the ownership isnt absolute. They really are coming to the end of the line for most fans, for some this happened a while ago.

I just look around and see how hard it is to compete. Sure if we had an oil funded owner then may be it would be different but that isnt my aspiration and i am not going to judge them against what others can and have spent.

If they were pocketing profits then i'd be very angry, but what they have done is massively increase our revenues and then invested what we have. So I am not going to kill them from a financial side.

Nor will slate them for negotiating deals and getting the best that we can afford. Many on here slagging them because we had moved away from £40m Raya to a cheaper option and can move decisively on that if we want. That's good planning! How big do people think our budgets are. Just bought Deki £30m, so Raya for £40m is £70m in already, with 2 CBs and a CM needed on top!

The last 3 years have been shiiiit and the decision making at the top a massive factor in that BUT that is off the back of some massive progress on the pitch and huge progress financially. It hasnt always been bad decisions and bad judgements and therefore I am willing to give them a bit more time that I think they've earned.

That doesnt mean i love them, or are a Levy ball-licker, it is a thoughtful opinion judging over their tenure and not the fact that the last few seasons have been garbage.

My starting point from all this is as mentioned earlier. A life long fan who has seen little success, supporting the 5th or 6th biggest club in the league.


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I’m sorry mate but of course they’ve given themselves financial gain. They’ve used the tottenham brand to build an entertainment venue. They will one day sell and make themselves 40 odd times the investment they put in. And what has it got us? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I don’t care if we have a hotel or if the training facilities are nice. I don’t give a f a ck about any of that. I’m a Tottenham Hotspur fan. To dare is to do. Enic had every chance to win something. They didn’t have to spend oil money when they chose not to buy skriniar or Grealish or anyone at all for three transfer windows. They simply valued building a hotel over that. Some fans, including me, felt it would all be worth it. But do you know what? It isn’t. We are no better off. In fact we are worse.

I simply do not believe this board care about winning anything. They just care about coming fourth, making money and getting nfl in. I honestly don’t think we will win a trophy under Enic. Because they just don’t want it enough.

What other big club in Europe has won one trophy in nearly a quarter of a century? We have a massive fanbase. We pay to dollar. Expect more. Don’t accept bland. Don’t let Enic off the hook.

Love Tottenham Hotspur

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Remember that £150m of share capital that ENIC raised, what happened to the £50m that was never drawn down? That could have been used to sign a much needed top class CB, but instead Levy decided to persist with the existing mob. Where has that £50m gone, it is no doubt paying for Go Karts and a hotel.

ENIC are mugging the fans off, we should and could be doing so much better, but Levy keeps the football team in this cycle of mediocrity and shietes himself every time we get close to winning something.
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It’s mad really, just how much levy pulls the wool over some fans eyes. It’s a powerful thing to be able to do, convince people you’re doing something completely different to what they are actually seeing you do.

As I said, he’s the boris Johnson of football.

“ what happened to the £50m that was never drawn down?”

Maybe it’ll be drawn this summer to pay for porro

comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
“ what happened to the £50m that was never drawn down?”

Maybe it’ll be drawn this summer to pay for porro
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Ah yes. The wingback we signed at the stroke of midnight on deadline day for a manager who was leaving. I’m sure he will do well for our next manager who doesn’t even play wingbacks

What was he , like our fifth go at replacing Kyle Walker who we sold for 50 mill

More excellent business from levy.

Everything is so scattergun. Just no long term plan at all

Decent read on Will Vickery here:

https://archive.is/EyHsY