I'm just curious to know if there are any Levy/ENIC supporters left in the fanbase. There were a few disciples left a year or so ago during Conte's reign but I just wonder whether the tables have turned a little recently. Levy's notorious frugality is becoming more pronounced as each season passes because truly big spenders are now entering the game.
Personally I don't know how much success we can really have if we're counting the pennies the way we are. I'm all for data-modelling if it means we're bringing in the right profile of player. However, I'm not on board if it means that ultimately we're competing on the same level as Brentford and Brighton. They use those models because they have to, in a financial sense. We have the best stadium in the world, one of the best training facilities, have much higher revenue streams and the most expensive tickets in the Premier League. On what grounds do we even need to mimic a model used by teams that don't generate anywhere near as much money? Following the data might make footballing sense. We've seen some truly top players come in at clubs like Brighton and obviously I'd love to see the next Caicedo, Ferguson etc at Spurs, but whilst it might seem like sensible option, for me it's nothing more than a veil for Levy to justify lower spending. "Raya is how much? Sod it, buy Vicario for peanuts and lean on the data". Now I could be wrong. It might work brilliantly. Only time will tell but whilst the rest of the top six spend big to be competitive, we're fishing in a much smaller pond and ultimately, whether the data unearths a diamond every now and then, your league finish over around a 5-10 year period will reflect how much you spend, regardless of the talent you've unearthed.
In short, money talks and if you're not willing to spend it, you won't be successful. If data were truly the only answer, every single club would be doing it. Brighton and Brentford only do it because their revenue streams are that much smaller. What's Levy's excuse? Like Liverpool, we need to lean on data for some players, but also look at those top bracket ones to really kick on.
I'm fully behind Ange but unlike the Poch period, my optimism isn't at the same level. When we qualified for the CL regularly and challenged for the league, I thought the ownership might back their man. We'd never really been there before so we didn't know how ambitious they'd be. I was cautious because we'd seen Redknapp suffer a lack of investment but ultimately I thought under Poch we might see a change of approach financially. We didn't. So how enthused can we expect to be under Ange if he takes us to 2nd, 3rd, CL knockouts etc? In order to get us over the line we need new owners so I'm just not as invested as I once was because we know the ceiling of the ownership.
Levy Out
Where does everyone else stand?
Does anyone out there still support ENIC?
posted on 18/8/23
I'm all for mimicking the models from Brighton and Brentford. Our recruitment has sucked for a long while so anything to help improve that (for both players and managers). Valuations are all so subjective anyway and Brighton are showing you don't have to pay over the odds to get really good players, just as we have shown in recent years you don't need to spend cheap to end up with duds.
The one thing we don't want to be copying from Brighton is the constant losing of our better players because it ultimately won't get them anywhere in the long run, just like it didn't with Southampton back when they were the envy of clubs' eyes for how many talented players they were bringing through. Something we may be able to avoid due to the profile of our club and its wealth, but the best players aren't going to want to continue to stay while we fail to win things. Not that we don't know this already. This is where Baldy and Co. have to push the boat out that bit more to be able to get that bit of extra quality that the likes of Brighton and Brentford wouldn't be able to get.
posted on 18/8/23
Sandy. I went to the UCL final. An awesome experience, ultimately a disappointing result and performance but my memory of that weekend, partying in Madrid, the atmosphere, the excitement and anticipation, the sheer thrill of the occasion, will never leave me. Saw us win our last cup, lose our last 3 finals , 2 of the last 3 semis lost.
Some on here put nothing into the club and do not go to games and while that doesn't mean they cannot have an opinion or a voice, not all have the actual experiences, the memories of being atvthese occassions that underpin their support. It's an entirely different experience, gives a different context and bigger picture to those who just watch these events from their arm chairs shouting at the screen.
I'm a fairly patient laid back guy so that reflects in the way I reflect on our leadership BUT at the same time I have these actual real experiences and memories for which I am grateful and for me are what football is about. It why people watch their local club or play the game on a Sunday morning, because they love it.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I'm all for mimicking the models from Brighton and Brentford. Our recruitment has sucked for a long while so anything to help improve that (for both players and managers). Valuations are all so subjective anyway and Brighton are showing you don't have to pay over the odds to get really good players, just as we have shown in recent years you don't need to spend cheap to end up with duds.
The one thing we don't want to be copying from Brighton is the constant losing of our better players because it ultimately won't get them anywhere in the long run, just like it didn't with Southampton back when they were the envy of clubs' eyes for how many talented players they were bringing through. Something we may be able to avoid due to the profile of our club and its wealth, but the best players aren't going to want to continue to stay while we fail to win things. Not that we don't know this already. This is where Baldy and Co. have to push the boat out that bit more to be able to get that bit of extra quality that the likes of Brighton and Brentford wouldn't be able to get.
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It’s why players still choose chelsea Spurtle. Certainly recently with the players choosing them over Liverpool. As cra** as chelsea have been under Bohley so far, they have built a reputation of winning trophies. Winning means the best players want to come to you. Unfortunately we don’t win under this regime
posted on 19/8/23
comment by Charlie Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 7 hours, 42 minutes ago
100% no.
ENIC are only interested in Spurs to use us as a vehicle for their profitability. Over 20 years of ownership and they have shown very limited ambition in delivering a successful football club; selling our best players, failing repeatedly to capitalise on positions of strength, selling managers short and letting the fans down. In recent years we’ve had furloughing of staff, the ESL fiasco, failing to make a signing for 18 months for the best manager we’ve had in the PL era, sacking a trophy winning coach 6 days before a final to white wash the ESL fiasco. Between Ange and Nuno we have gone over 5 months in the last 2 years without a head coach at all. Appointing a crook as DoF with no due diligence, Joe Lewis himself being arrested on fraud charges damaging the reputation of the club, and putting ticket prices up 20% while selling our best ever player on the opening day of the season. The current concessions scandal at the club is a disgrace, long term loyal fans being treated like crap to herd more tourists into the ground. The fact ENIC are a faceless corporation that have no communication or relationship with the fans. Nobody ever knows what’s going on at the club, what the strategy is etc. Just an annual token letter from ‘Daniel COYS’.
They haven’t been there 2 minutes. They’ve been there 2 decades and have FAILED to turn us into anything resembling a vaguely successful or ambitious football club. The only thing we have any kudos for is our stadium, that is how ENIC measure their success - why? Because it’s a money maker. They have succeeded in turning THFC into one element of a broader sports and entertainment corporation operating out of ENIC Stadium. NFL, boxing, concerts, football, we have it all! But the onus isn’t on the football club. Despite being owned by a guy worth £5am they quibble over a few million for a PL proven goalkeeper and give their new manager a cheap alternative, but as soon as the NFL pitch needs upgrading or the golf course hotel needs renovating, they can’t find money quick enough. Joe Lewis is a disgraceful proxy owner, a vile parasite who never attends games and who has never put not a penny of his own money into the club (only outdone by the Glaziers by virtue of their debt). Yet they charge our fans among the highest ticket prices in Europe.
They have used us as a vehicle to increase their wealth as an organisation - our PL status, supplemented by stadium revenue, and their Spurs related portfolio of property investment.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like they are war mongers or human rights abusers like some owners, we can’t throw that at them, but any supporters of ENIC must accept that we will never, ever, be a successful football club under their ownership. That has never, and will never happen, because of their business model. For me, I want them out immediately for this reason and be use they do not give a toss about true Spurs fans. As long as ENIC Stadium is packed with tourists every week tapping their credit cards away, they are happy. Champagne prices for a lemonade football club.
Profitability before fans. Profitability before ambition. Always.
ENIC Out.
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posted on 19/8/23
comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 5 hours, 5 minutes ago
Enic have:
Upped ticket prices by 20 percent in the middle of a cost of living crisis, needlessly, without any justification, just because they can
Tried to take the club to Stratford for money
Tried to end competitive football with the esl for money
Tried to furlough staff during covid for money
Sold our greatest player in the premier league era for money
Hired criminals
Made season tickets the highest prices in the world
Won one trophy in 23 years
There a bunch of property merchants that have exploited the clubs name and fanbase making themselves millions in the process
They don’t care about winning stuff, it’s not their ambition. They are not football people and they truly couldn’t give a monkeys about loyal spurs fans
You are a mug if you think otherwise.
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posted on 19/8/23
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 6 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Charlie Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 7 hours, 42 minutes ago
100% no.
ENIC are only interested in Spurs to use us as a vehicle for their profitability. Over 20 years of ownership and they have shown very limited ambition in delivering a successful football club; selling our best players, failing repeatedly to capitalise on positions of strength, selling managers short and letting the fans down. In recent years we’ve had furloughing of staff, the ESL fiasco, failing to make a signing for 18 months for the best manager we’ve had in the PL era, sacking a trophy winning coach 6 days before a final to white wash the ESL fiasco. Between Ange and Nuno we have gone over 5 months in the last 2 years without a head coach at all. Appointing a crook as DoF with no due diligence, Joe Lewis himself being arrested on fraud charges damaging the reputation of the club, and putting ticket prices up 20% while selling our best ever player on the opening day of the season. The current concessions scandal at the club is a disgrace, long term loyal fans being treated like crap to herd more tourists into the ground. The fact ENIC are a faceless corporation that have no communication or relationship with the fans. Nobody ever knows what’s going on at the club, what the strategy is etc. Just an annual token letter from ‘Daniel COYS’.
They haven’t been there 2 minutes. They’ve been there 2 decades and have FAILED to turn us into anything resembling a vaguely successful or ambitious football club. The only thing we have any kudos for is our stadium, that is how ENIC measure their success - why? Because it’s a money maker. They have succeeded in turning THFC into one element of a broader sports and entertainment corporation operating out of ENIC Stadium. NFL, boxing, concerts, football, we have it all! But the onus isn’t on the football club. Despite being owned by a guy worth £5am they quibble over a few million for a PL proven goalkeeper and give their new manager a cheap alternative, but as soon as the NFL pitch needs upgrading or the golf course hotel needs renovating, they can’t find money quick enough. Joe Lewis is a disgraceful proxy owner, a vile parasite who never attends games and who has never put not a penny of his own money into the club (only outdone by the Glaziers by virtue of their debt). Yet they charge our fans among the highest ticket prices in Europe.
They have used us as a vehicle to increase their wealth as an organisation - our PL status, supplemented by stadium revenue, and their Spurs related portfolio of property investment.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like they are war mongers or human rights abusers like some owners, we can’t throw that at them, but any supporters of ENIC must accept that we will never, ever, be a successful football club under their ownership. That has never, and will never happen, because of their business model. For me, I want them out immediately for this reason and be use they do not give a toss about true Spurs fans. As long as ENIC Stadium is packed with tourists every week tapping their credit cards away, they are happy. Champagne prices for a lemonade football club.
Profitability before fans. Profitability before ambition. Always.
ENIC Out.
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Absolutely spot on. People who support Enic would be better off watching the stock market at 3pm on a Saturday than the football
Real football fans know what’s going on at spurs and will always oppose it
I’ll be taking my son to my local league two side because levy has priced me out of taking him to spurs. My boy would have been fourth generation spurs.
posted on 19/8/23
Levy would rather have a stadium full of tourists than proper fans, consumers who turn up, spend their money in the bars, shop and sit and watch the match quietly without any protest against the way our club has been abused by ENIC.
posted on 19/8/23
Fridge did you ever support ENIC?
I don't think there has been one serious poster on here, who has been ENIC in, on this board.
posted on 19/8/23
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 44 minutes ago
Levy would rather have a stadium full of tourists than proper fans, consumers who turn up, spend their money in the bars, shop and sit and watch the match quietly without any protest against the way our club has been abused by ENIC.
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Yep. There are posters on this board that are happy to let that happen too. That mock those of us that are protesting against it. Absolutely shameful.
Without protest spurs would be bottom of a European super league right now, playing home games in Stratford
posted on 19/8/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I'm all for mimicking the models from Brighton and Brentford. Our recruitment has sucked for a long while so anything to help improve that (for both players and managers). Valuations are all so subjective anyway and Brighton are showing you don't have to pay over the odds to get really good players, just as we have shown in recent years you don't need to spend cheap to end up with duds.
The one thing we don't want to be copying from Brighton is the constant losing of our better players because it ultimately won't get them anywhere in the long run, just like it didn't with Southampton back when they were the envy of clubs' eyes for how many talented players they were bringing through. Something we may be able to avoid due to the profile of our club and its wealth, but the best players aren't going to want to continue to stay while we fail to win things. Not that we don't know this already. This is where Baldy and Co. have to push the boat out that bit more to be able to get that bit of extra quality that the likes of Brighton and Brentford wouldn't be able to get.
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It’s why players still choose chelsea Spurtle. Certainly recently with the players choosing them over Liverpool. As cra** as chelsea have been under Bohley so far, they have built a reputation of winning trophies. Winning means the best players want to come to you. Unfortunately we don’t win under this regime
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Yes Don, but at least we have the location factor as well. I mean it's not just the winning factor, because Liverpool have won a lot more than Chelsea in recent years. Being in London must count for a bit. Shows how much our owners have let us down to achieve success when they've had this advantage all this time.