The recording

Ohonono, thay've basically not left much room legal wise for what he's done wrong other than bail breaking or drugs. They've pretty much dismissed everything that would cover any wrongdoing towards his partner.

While I don't agree with your position on his guilt, I think it's ridiculous that posters are laying into you while conveniently ignoring the fact that the club have effectively defended him and allowed him to continue his career in another Country by denying his wrongdoing. What message does that send out exactly.

comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the clubs statement, what did he do then and on the CPS dropping the case, why did the witnesses withdraw and what was the new evidence. They were clearly right to drop it as there was no realistic chance of prosecution.

People can think the CPS were clearly right to drop the case and for United to let him go and still speculate about the answers to those questions, particularly given United are letting him go.


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Playing Devils advocate for a minute. Is the statement United have put out putting the club on a difficult footing? All charges dropped, no court case, United proclaiming his innocence, yet still moving him on. Would this be the reason they’re not terminating his contract maybe? Even if it was by mutual consent?

comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 4 minutes ago
Playing Devils advocate for a minute. Is the statement United have put out putting the club on a difficult footing? All charges dropped, no court case, United proclaiming his innocence, yet still moving him on. Would this be the reason they’re not terminating his contract maybe? Even if it was by mutual consent?
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It's really difficult to say. The advantage to the club in saying they believe he's innocent of the original charges is that it lends some credibility to their deliberations over his reinstatement, and it also leaves open the door to the player not only finding a club but that club actually handing over some money to United to buy the player. I'd guess United simply don't want to lose him for free.

The club and Mason have both said he made "mistakes"

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 13 hours, 30 minutes ago
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Nice to see you're still around as well mate, that goes for Melton as well. I pop in a couple of times a month, but life is a little busier and twitter or "twatter" as some users call it seems to be a natural switch for debate. More diverse in opinion as well.


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Those aren't the only two options when it comes to the recording. Harriet may not have wanted an embarrassing concession of the facts. MG might be playing the protective partner.

There could be a number of possibilities, which no matter how small need to be considered. Reality is stranger than fiction sometimes.

This woman beat herself in the face with a hammer in order to frame men for example.

https://hollywoodunlocked.com/woman-sentenced-to-8-years-after-beating-her-own-face-with-a-hammer-blaming-it-on-an-asian-grooming-gang/


Again I'm just speculating for a balanced view.

For your second point, i'll just repeat what I said to MB...

He wasn't found to be guilty either and you're presumed to be innocent until found guilty. The presumption of innocence remains but technically you're right.

From Arnolds open letter (the last point)

"The alleged victim requested the police to drop their investigation in April 2022.
- We were provided with alternative explanations for the audio recording, which was a short excerpt from a much longer recording, and for the images posted online.
- The alleged victim's family participated in the process and were given the opportunity to review and correct our factual findings."

From this we can gather speaking to the family helped Arnold reach the conclusion that MG didn't commit those acts.

If he didn't commit those acts, then what does that say about the bloody pictures of Harriet? Did somebody else beat her up and she made it look like MG when he aggravated her? Was it makeup?


This is also why I gave alternative reasons for the audio.

"MG being guilty is considerably more likely"

Agreed but that doesn't rule out the possibility that he isn't guilty. He should have been able to move on with his life at United imo

"You'd have to be insane to get back with someone that has just tried to ruin your life in a very public way"

This one goes both ways for MG and Harriet.

I'll sign off by saying there are a multitude of possibilities which could have led to the leaks last year. I just absolutely hate the mob mentality which is conjured up whenever something like this happens.

People are called rapists before trial and the people who call for calm until there is a complete picture are called rapist sympathisers.

This toxicity is the part of JA606 I don't miss.

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I used to love Twatter and still use it but it's become a total cesspit in the last few years. The algorithm seems to minimise exposure to accounts I actually follow and constantly show me inflammatory & reactionary garbage that I don't follow, and if you dare to read the comments of some deranged right wing account you'll be perpetually shown more of the same content by the algorithm. I like to keep my finger on the pulse of the "enemy", so to speak, but I find Twitter is now insufferable and infuriating. In just the last week alone I've been bombarded by endless far-right accounts that indulge in outright racism. It's not nice to see on the daily.

Maybe more than anyone on this forum I've been quite partial to the reinstatement/redemption arc possibility for MG, provided of course the evidence made that at least a credible line of pursuit and/or the player/alleged victim came out with something to cling to. Nothing to date has materialised to make a convincing case for that outcome.

It hadn't escaped my attention that Arnold's letter mentions that HR had essentially stopped cooperating with the police as early as April 2022, but there's a few other things to consider... It's been reported that HR wasn't the one cooperating or communicating with the club during their investigation, but rather it was being done via third party (someone from her family). This would explain the club's repeated references to "the alleged victim's anonymity". Ultimately HR's family's understanding of events will only be as good as what HR is/was willing to tell them. That has to put the reliability of information being passed onto the club in doubt.

Also, the police charges didn't only stem from the photos/audio. MG was charged with various counts for incidents that occurred in Oct 2021, December 2021 and November 2018. Those are incidents over three years apart. It strongly suggests that the audio/photo incidents - whatever exactly they were in nature - were not isolated events but part of a sustained pattern of behaviour (as is kind of obvious anyway - people don't just batter their missus one time and that be that I'd not of thought!). The police were obviously privy to other material/information besides what is known publicly in those leaked media.

Ultimately everything boils down to that audio/photo dump though. If there genuinely is an explanation for it, then it's inconceivable to me that that information wouldn't be made public by MG or HR, given the stakes involved. And it would of course be a tragedy if MG's name & career was ruined over something that was misrepresented.

In almost all domestic violence disputes/allegations, it's usually a case of she said versus he said. It makes securing a conviction incredibly difficult at the best of times. We don't usually get audio/photographic evidence. The big difference with the Amber Heard case is that not only was there no audio or video of Depp committing offences against anything other than cupboards, but that the "bruises" Heard produced in photo form were always magically vanished on TV appearances, not to mention the obvious lies, the odd overt slip up (referring to her "bruise kit" - makeup designed to create the appearance of bruises, not mask them!) and a whole host of other inconsistencies. Much of the audio she produced as evidence actually implicated her as being the abusive one. I'll concede that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that MG & HR had a volatile relationship and that providing evidence of MG's relative innocence could be hugely embarrassing and damaging to them as a pair (much as Heard's audio recordings showed the opposite of what she was claiming). If that's the reality then it's also quite a tragedy. MG, while not innocent of his part, would be somewhat stuck between a rock and a hard place; he'd sort of be taking one for the team by not being forthcoming. Johnny Depp, in proving that he wasn't a domestic abuser, had to allow the world to see the very worst of him; drunk, drug-ridden, saying vile things in private correspondence to friends and basically being seen at his very lowest at every turn. That's brutal and if there are parallels with MG then I can understand the silence but again, that still doesn't excuse or justify that audio and for as long as it remains unexplained then the club didn't have much choice but to drop him, even if they didn't really want to.

What stakes. He has been paid since day 1 and will go and continue his career away from the United nutjob supporters who have hounded him out of the club.

comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 54 minutes ago
What stakes. He has been paid since day 1 and will go and continue his career away from the United nutjob supporters who have hounded him out of the club.
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I know you're a raging attention-seeking contrarian idiot at the best of times, but even you could figure this bit out:

- He was facing criminal conviction for multiple serious allegations
- He was facing the end to his United & England career
- He was & still is facing a challenge to find a new club, particular in this country
- His public image is, rightly or wrong, in the gutter

comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 6 hours, 25 minutes ago
What stakes. He has been paid since day 1 and will go and continue his career away from the United nutjob supporters who have hounded him out of the club.
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Christ your one sick individual

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 hours, 30 minutes ago
The club and Mason have both said he made "mistakes"
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They agreed it was a mistake him not having control of her phone or the awareness to realise she was recording him trying to rape her.