Was willing to cut him slack given the state we were in under Gio
We didn't do too badly in the league with the team he inherited, we didn't lose too many games or drop many points, but the worry was, we didn't win the important games
There was a feel good factor about the place during the summer with the new signings
We have had two big tests with this new crop, and we have failed both of them....and not through any sort of bad luck or in a gallant loser way...we've just been $hite, utter $hite in the games that have mattered so far
There is a common theme developing there
Also I don't see what he is trying to do with these new players
He said he wanted to play a 3-5-2 but failed to sign a certain CB that fitted that system, so instead of going out and trying to get the next best thing, he appears to have just totally abandoned his 3-5-2 idea, and I honestly don't know wtf he is trying to do now...and I don't think he knows either
I hate calling for a manager's head...but we are guff and there are no signs of things changing
The feel good factor has been totally eroded, our confidence is shot to hell, and our performances don't merit anything more than what we've got so far
His time is up for me I'm afraid
Times up for me
posted on 5/9/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 13 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 1 minute ago
I want Beale gone because he's useless and clueless, but that's a very easy position to take so I'll look at the counter-argument.
He did fairly well with us last season with the OF games the main mark against him. The logic was that he'd do better this year with "his" players. With Ross Wilson gone, Beale was given control of recruitment despite never having shown competency or even experience in this area, and he signed a load of utter dross, each one of whom is worse than the person they replaced. If we get rid of Beale, any new manager will also be lumbered with a dire squad. What if a competent DoF had been in place to oversee recruitment and had provided Beale with players who matched his desired profile and were actually half decent?
It's all academic though, and Beale needs to reap the consequences of his own actions - a nice payoff and our best wishes in whatever comes next as long as it's far away from us. But it's hard to expect great improvement from a new manager if this is the squad they get to work with.
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I found it strange that Rangers hired the guy who was probably 3rd in the coaching pecking order when Gerrard was there.
MacAllister is unemployed and did well as caretaker at Villa and has been coaching a lot longer than Beale. I can't understand why you wouldn't have at least sounded him out.
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Beale had more management experience than Mccallister
posted on 5/9/23
Just as an FYI - it might add something to the discussion - Rangers have recently appointed a Football Operations Director. They have kept it pretty quiet...no announcement, no communication around it at all really.
Think Ross Wilsons responsibilities are basically now shared between Beale, John Park and this new FO Directors role.
posted on 5/9/23
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Beale had more management experience than Mccallister
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Michael Beale Managerial career;
2022 Queens Park Rangers
2022– Rangers
Gary McAllister Managerial Career;
2002–2004 Coventry City
2008 Leeds United
2010–2011 Aston Villa (assistant)
2011 Aston Villa (caretaker)
2018–2021 Rangers (assistant)
2021–2022 Aston Villa (assistant)
posted on 5/9/23
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 1 minute ago
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Beale had more management experience than Mccallister
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Michael Beale Managerial career;
2022 Queens Park Rangers
2022– Rangers
Gary McAllister Managerial Career;
2002–2004 Coventry City
2008 Leeds United
2010–2011 Aston Villa (assistant)
2011 Aston Villa (caretaker)
2018–2021 Rangers (assistant)
2021–2022 Aston Villa (assistant)
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yeah I fecked that one forgot about Coventry & Leeds
posted on 5/9/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 1 minute ago
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Beale had more management experience than Mccallister
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Michael Beale Managerial career;
2022 Queens Park Rangers
2022– Rangers
Gary McAllister Managerial Career;
2002–2004 Coventry City
2008 Leeds United
2010–2011 Aston Villa (assistant)
2011 Aston Villa (caretaker)
2018–2021 Rangers (assistant)
2021–2022 Aston Villa (assistant)
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yeah I fecked that one forgot about Coventry & Leeds
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No problem. I told a blind guy to take off his glasses yesterday.
posted on 5/9/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 12 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
I don't necessarily buy your vision of the DoF thing, bmcl. Sure, such a role can bring a certain continuity in the management of 'football operations' behind the scenes but no manager worth their salt gets told how to play or with who.
As to player recruitment good players can adapt to most systems though I get some may not be ideally suited. The average contract length at most clubs is 2 years and the average squad size is 30+. Some players re-sign but the net result is usually around 10 players in/out every year so 're-builds' are almost inherent to the trading model - and all clubs have a degree of dice rolling. I keep rattling about RB Salzburg who minimise the flops with their diligent process but they are also able to hide their failures within the RB group.
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That’s no worries, Celtic also don’t buy into it from I can see 😂 . The example often given is Ajax where they have a style and managers largely stick with it. It helps with reducing need for player turnover and if implemented down the age groups can facilitate youth players coming through ready to play in the first team when the time is right. I see spurs are looking to bring in a sporting director to replace your one who got banned, and I think with style of play if clubs are open and transparent about the style of football they play, then the people applying to be the head coach should by definition already be bought into those principles. It isn’t something that I think would work at every club, and maybe I’m being dewy eyed about it, but for me there is a “Celtic” way of playing, but we only see it intermittently given our managerial appointment strategy.
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Every Celtic manager has asked the academy to play the same way as the first team.
Except Lennon who told them to fck off.
posted on 5/9/23
But every time you change manager, you’re then changing all the way up and down the club. Can’t be coherent to have a player coming through playing one style at U14, different at U17, different again at U20. You also if going that route have the risk of sub optimal coaches depending on what the style is right through the club.
posted on 5/9/23
Thought I’d share this with you Stevie;
https://celticbynumberscom.ipage.com/honest-mistakes-week-four-oh-its-deflected/
👍
posted on 5/9/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
But every time you change manager, you’re then changing all the way up and down the club. Can’t be coherent to have a player coming through playing one style at U14, different at U17, different again at U20. You also if going that route have the risk of sub optimal coaches depending on what the style is right through the club.
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I don't see the problem? You want to turn out players that have experience playing every system under the sun imho. Very few of the coaches at academy level have any aspirations of coaching at senior level. Those that do will do the pro license that more than covers anything they learn in their day job in any case.
posted on 6/9/23
https://twitter.com/Magnificent7kok/status/1699103932721545705
St3vie isn’t happy.