I’m sure we can all agree that his signings have been pretty poor but the most disappointing thing is his ability to improve the squad he’s inherited.
If we look at Howe he came into a struggling Newcastle side and improved the likes of Almiron, Longstaff and Joelinton amongst others. If we look at Ange he’s come in and improved Bissouma, Sarr and Romero, again amongst others.
Given our propensity to sack managers - and Ten Hag will be sacked for various reasons by seasons end - it would help to bring in a manager who first and foremost can inherit a squad that he can improve. Because giving each new manager £300 million to spend while not making the existing players better is a path to ruin.
A better manager would find a way to get more out of these players. Obviously we’re not gonna get Ange anytime soon but he’s a great example of why eventually the right guy is out there after sacking loads of managers.
Ten Hags failings
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
There's something fundamentally wrong with the way the club operates for this to continue to happen under various managers. So ultimately sacking ETH will go like the previous 5 managers did. Brief hope of a new start followed by realisation that the same issues are still there.
Under Glazer Stooges things won't change. Ed Woodward to Richard Arnold wasn't change. It was more of the same. It's his old pal from Uni ffs.
Giving Murtough the director of football job was insane. He's been here since Moyes and overseen huge failure and he's been rewarded for it.
The club is lost. Need to get the bulldozer in and quick.
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This blaming the glazers for the players being complete lazy whining cants has to stop.
Jose was sh!t at every club he went to and ended up getting sacked from every club.
LVG, who's he managing now or who did he manage after us? That's right, nobody for about 8 years until his country for one year.
Ole, what's he up to now? Hardly a manager that would do any better under different owners.
David Moyes. Never a top tier manager anyway.
Giggs no comment
Carrick no comment
Ralf never managed a big club in his life.
I suppose it's the glazers fault, or someone's fault at OT for hiring a bunch of numpties, but like rob has said, there has to be a manager out there who isn't at the end of their career or never managed a big club in their life. Someone who can come in and fking run the show from the managerial position.
Maybe Eth is that guy, maybe he isn't, but Eth is making mistakes that even fking normal people can see are glaringly obvious, so..... he needs to sort it, or feck off in all honesty.
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The rot started from the very day Glazer took over Utd, our saving grace was SAF and Gill. Once both left, the true workings of the ownership became clear, they were clueless. Ed Woodward was allowed to waste over 1bn on transfer fees, using a scatter gun approach, going through countless managers, all with different styles and ideologies.
Who do you think allowed this mess to develop? The owners.
The squad is bloated, it's imbalanced. Yes, Eth has not helped his cause either but the owners deserve criticism for overseeing this mess while at the same time saddling the club in debt which further inhibits our ability to compete in the transfer market. No fresh investment, other than club's profits, have been ploughed into the club. If you are failing to see this then you are are clearly not thinking outside of the box!
posted on 1/10/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
The problem with Robb's narrative is it's all based on a very short term performance from his fellow Aussie. And even that has been laced with good fortune. Win over 9 men today, scoring 2 goals deep deep into injury time against the worst team in the league, Romero playing basketball against United in the first half when they were getting absolutely battered by the useless ETH...
A better manager can cure some ills for a short time but won't cure them all and it won't last without a solid structure behind him. The two clubs who have performed best in England over the last 6 or 7 years have a great structure and support system behind the manager and are built to win.
Neither of those two would have taken the United job (Klopp turned it down) and with good reason. Because it's a club built for failure under this ownership. The very very best managers only go to ready made "projects" with clearly set out goals and everybody pulling in the same direction. This is the opposite of United.
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Not sure if it was Ed or one of the Glazers who said Utd don't need to be winning anything for the entity to generate money. Our model benefits the Glazers.
Liverpool's model, although primarily based on identifying promising talent then selling them on for a profit, requires the team to do well on the pitch.
Liverpool are a football club first, business second. Utd are just a business. Utd are completely disconnected from its core function and until we re-establish that connection we will never win anything of substance again. Our financial success is our curse!
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Pea in a Bun (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
The problem with Robb's narrative is it's all based on a very short term performance from his fellow Aussie. And even that has been laced with good fortune. Win over 9 men today, scoring 2 goals deep deep into injury time against the worst team in the league, Romero playing basketball against United in the first half when they were getting absolutely battered by the useless ETH...
A better manager can cure some ills for a short time but won't cure them all and it won't last without a solid structure behind him. The two clubs who have performed best in England over the last 6 or 7 years have a great structure and support system behind the manager and are built to win.
Neither of those two would have taken the United job (Klopp turned it down) and with good reason. Because it's a club built for failure under this ownership. The very very best managers only go to ready made "projects" with clearly set out goals and everybody pulling in the same direction. This is the opposite of United.
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Not sure if it was Ed or one of the Glazers who said Utd don't need to be winning anything for the entity to generate money. Our model benefits the Glazers.
Liverpool's model, although primarily based on identifying promising talent then selling them on for a profit, requires the team to do well on the pitch.
Liverpool are a football club first, business second. Utd are just a business. Utd are completely disconnected from its core function and until we re-establish that connection we will never win anything of substance again. Our financial success is our curse!
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It's so frustrating though because if they were actually great businessmen they'd realise that financial gain and on field performance are far from mutually exclusive of eachother.
These guys are heirs with no acumen nor history of successful business ventures. The only successful Glazer is the one who passed away nearly a decade ago now. He cared no more about the club but I have feeling he may have been savvy enough to realise that trying to be a winning and efficient outfit would maximise profitability. It's not rocket science
posted on 1/10/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Pea in a Bun (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
The problem with Robb's narrative is it's all based on a very short term performance from his fellow Aussie. And even that has been laced with good fortune. Win over 9 men today, scoring 2 goals deep deep into injury time against the worst team in the league, Romero playing basketball against United in the first half when they were getting absolutely battered by the useless ETH...
A better manager can cure some ills for a short time but won't cure them all and it won't last without a solid structure behind him. The two clubs who have performed best in England over the last 6 or 7 years have a great structure and support system behind the manager and are built to win.
Neither of those two would have taken the United job (Klopp turned it down) and with good reason. Because it's a club built for failure under this ownership. The very very best managers only go to ready made "projects" with clearly set out goals and everybody pulling in the same direction. This is the opposite of United.
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Not sure if it was Ed or one of the Glazers who said Utd don't need to be winning anything for the entity to generate money. Our model benefits the Glazers.
Liverpool's model, although primarily based on identifying promising talent then selling them on for a profit, requires the team to do well on the pitch.
Liverpool are a football club first, business second. Utd are just a business. Utd are completely disconnected from its core function and until we re-establish that connection we will never win anything of substance again. Our financial success is our curse!
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It's so frustrating though because if they were actually great businessmen they'd realise that financial gain and on field performance are far from mutually exclusive of eachother.
These guys are heirs with no acumen nor history of successful business ventures. The only successful Glazer is the one who passed away nearly a decade ago now. He cared no more about the club but I have feeling he may have been savvy enough to realise that trying to be a winning and efficient outfit would maximise profitability. It's not rocket science
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Definitely. It's just Murphy's Law, of all American owners we had to be owned by some clueless carpetbaggers. You are right, Malcolm Glazer was the main brains behind their wealth, his kids are not savvy at all.
Since SAF's departure if they had thought, right we need a new approach and completely restructured the football side they would have been raking more than they are currently or did draw in dividends! We as fans would be talking more about footy / success than the ownership.
We just had it too good under SAF, merry. This blot on our club's history just allows the rest to catch up. I firmly believe we'll be under new ownership and the good times will return, may take a little longer.
posted on 1/10/23
ETH and it’s being beaten at OT gone under the radar yesterday.
hmm i wonder why 🤣
posted on 1/10/23
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
ETH and it’s being beaten at OT gone under the radar yesterday.
hmm i wonder why 🤣
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Why is it? Do inform us, oh wise one
posted on 1/10/23
It's the club's "failings".
Many of the problems at the club were already there when he arrived. They've just continued.
The clubs needs tor re-establish it's footballing direction
posted on 1/10/23
https://twitter.com/TrollFootball/status/1708149180844134868
posted on 1/10/23
Ange has had a good start but it’s way way too early to deem him a successful appointment.
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 hours, 54 minutes ago
There's something fundamentally wrong with the way the club operates for this to continue to happen under various managers. So ultimately sacking ETH will go like the previous 5 managers did. Brief hope of a new start followed by realisation that the same issues are still there.
Under Glazer Stooges things won't change. Ed Woodward to Richard Arnold wasn't change. It was more of the same. It's his old pal from Uni ffs.
Giving Murtough the director of football job was insane. He's been here since Moyes and overseen huge failure and he's been rewarded for it.
The club is lost. Need to get the bulldozer in and quick.
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Serious question.
If the Glazers are PURELY in it for the money, why do they pay people handsomely to perform baldy and damage their asset?