Israel/Palestine

comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 20 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 seconds ago
It's long ago that I read the history of Israel.
But I had it in my head that the UK didn't want a separate state. It was the US that agreed to it, under Truman?
I'm probably wrong but I don't remember it being our fault, for once.
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The league of nations suggested two separate states drawn along the lines of religion just like India and Pakistan. The Jews accepted but the Arabs kicked against it. This led to the first Arab-Israeli war of 1948.

Then the Nakba happened when Arabs encouraged other Arabs living in Israel to leave so they don't get caught up in the cross fire of another planned offensive. Again, the Jews won the war. The Arabs who left unfortunately could not return anymore.

If any anyone comes across a Palestinian, ask them about their preferred solution. Majority will tell you they want the extermination of the Jews.

If you assume the Jews don't belong in Palestine and hence, should leave the land entirely, then we should apply the same principle to Arabs occupying North African lands, Caucasians in Australia, New Zealand etc.
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Why would any people accept an outside organisation dividing their land and their homes and then giving it to another people?

Resistance is the moral obligation to any invader.

I'm of North African heritage, we are all of mixed Arab, Berber and Black. Nobody is purely one race over there, so unless you're planning on chopping people up into thirds and then deporting chunks of them, that's the dumbest thing I've read this morning.

Muslims, Jews and Christians lived in peace in that region for literally hundreds of years before the zionist machine kicked in.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 20 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 seconds ago
It's long ago that I read the history of Israel.
But I had it in my head that the UK didn't want a separate state. It was the US that agreed to it, under Truman?
I'm probably wrong but I don't remember it being our fault, for once.
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The league of nations suggested two separate states drawn along the lines of religion just like India and Pakistan. The Jews accepted but the Arabs kicked against it. This led to the first Arab-Israeli war of 1948.

Then the Nakba happened when Arabs encouraged other Arabs living in Israel to leave so they don't get caught up in the cross fire of another planned offensive. Again, the Jews won the war. The Arabs who left unfortunately could not return anymore.

If any anyone comes across a Palestinian, ask them about their preferred solution. Majority will tell you they want the extermination of the Jews.

If you assume the Jews don't belong in Palestine and hence, should leave the land entirely, then we should apply the same principle to Arabs occupying North African lands, Caucasians in Australia, New Zealand etc.
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Why would any people accept an outside organisation dividing their land and their homes and then giving it to another people?

Resistance is the moral obligation to any invader.

I'm of North African heritage, we are all of mixed Arab, Berber and Black. Nobody is purely one race over there, so unless you're planning on chopping people up into thirds and then deporting chunks of them, that's the dumbest thing I've read this morning.

Muslims, Jews and Christians lived in peace in that region for literally hundreds of years before the zionist machine kicked in.
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Good point. I doubt people in England would allow the Arab League to come in and split the country up by giving parts of it to a group who lived here 1000 years ago and accept such terms.

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 17 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Remove Hamas. This only has any chance of ending if Hamas get removed from the equation.
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Really?

https://x.com/realstewpeters/status/1710829348503093696?s=20
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And I'm sure you could find multiple videos of the exact opposite too.

There's no side to be taken here. There's hatred and evil on both sides and anyone who says differently is either bias or a bleeding idiot.

The only thing we should be doing is trying to find a way to find peace which I grant is easier said than done.

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 17 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Remove Hamas. This only has any chance of ending if Hamas get removed from the equation.
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Really?

https://x.com/realstewpeters/status/1710829348503093696?s=20
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And I'm sure you could find multiple videos of the exact opposite too.

There's no side to be taken here. There's hatred and evil on both sides and anyone who says differently is either bias or a bleeding idiot.

The only thing we should be doing is trying to find a way to find peace which I grant is easier said than done.
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First step should be complete and utter freedom for Palestinians. All human beings should be as free as you and me. That should open the way IMO.

It’s not about taking sides on good vs evil. It’s about balance of power and basic human rights.

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 17 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Remove Hamas. This only has any chance of ending if Hamas get removed from the equation.
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Really?

https://x.com/realstewpeters/status/1710829348503093696?s=20
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And I'm sure you could find multiple videos of the exact opposite too.

There's no side to be taken here. There's hatred and evil on both sides and anyone who says differently is either bias or a bleeding idiot.

The only thing we should be doing is trying to find a way to find peace which I grant is easier said than done.
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Well go ahead and find such a video with such racist, nationalistic rhetoric.

The hatred of one is because of occupation, the other motivated by a far-right ideology—big difference.

I suppose you don't take a side in the Russia/Ukraine conflict either?

Just to say,that having lived and worked in the Middle East for quite a few years, and having friends and business associates of all persuasions, it was my impression that Hamas are generally not liked ,even hated by most.
I cannot believe the cretins on this board who are apologists for these evil people, perhaps they should go over there and take tea with them and talk to them ! .......but watch your back !

comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 11 minutes ago
Just to say,that having lived and worked in the Middle East for quite a few years, and having friends and business associates of all persuasions, it was my impression that Hamas are generally not liked ,even hated by most.
I cannot believe the cretins on this board who are apologists for these evil people, perhaps they should go over there and take tea with them and talk to them ! .......but watch your back !
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It is embarrassing isn't it. Not saying Israel are angels here, clearly they are not. But Hamas are a terrorist organisation that want blood and nothing else at all.

comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 11 minutes ago
Just to say,that having lived and worked in the Middle East for quite a few years, and having friends and business associates of all persuasions, it was my impression that Hamas are generally not liked ,even hated by most.
I cannot believe the cretins on this board who are apologists for these evil people, perhaps they should go over there and take tea with them and talk to them ! .......but watch your back !
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It is embarrassing isn't it. Not saying Israel are angels here, clearly they are not. But Hamas are a terrorist organisation that want blood and nothing else at all.
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Have you seen what the IDS and right wing settler gangs have been doing for years? Away and fvk yourself if you think Hamas are the only terrorist group in this.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 8 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 11 minutes ago
Just to say,that having lived and worked in the Middle East for quite a few years, and having friends and business associates of all persuasions, it was my impression that Hamas are generally not liked ,even hated by most.
I cannot believe the cretins on this board who are apologists for these evil people, perhaps they should go over there and take tea with them and talk to them ! .......but watch your back !
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It is embarrassing isn't it. Not saying Israel are angels here, clearly they are not. But Hamas are a terrorist organisation that want blood and nothing else at all.
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Have you seen what the IDS and right wing settler gangs have been doing for years? Away and fvk yourself if you think Hamas are the only terrorist group in this.
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He keeps saying that, the genius.