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comment by 99 Problems (but Rodgers ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 14 minutes ago
Yeah it’s been absolutely brilliant. I started the season still despondent about the previous one and couldn’t feel positive about anything but it’s starting to come together really well.
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I was really worried about the slide too and the shambles of the year before. But the way Maresca has focussed the squad and turned the training ground into an actual training ground has been effective.

I hoped the owners and leadership structure could recover this and rebuild it and I was one of the few supportive of letting them give it a good go. The summer transfer window was handled fairly well and the managerial appointment has been successful. So all in all you have to give credit to the non-football side of things too.

Great result and amazing start to season.
Only disappointing aspect today was our dire finishing,could have had five or six,but made it difficult for ourselves.
Need to be more ruthless upfront as defence still looks bit shaky.
Should be scoring more than we do,but still a great start.

I’m still not convinced about Top at all, and under his father we never would have ended up here. That said, Rudkin, for all of his faults - has spotted something in Maresca and made the right decision

I think it’s way too early to be saying the owners and the board have turned the corner - our players are simply too good for this division and if anything it highlights how negligent the board have been to somehow achieve relegation and financially trash the club. I don’t think we will ever be the club we were under Vichai.

However - they’re putting the fires out and they’re making the right moves. Time will tell

Please do not give Rudkin any credit,he has been stealing a living from our club and any knowledgeable chairman would have ditched him with Rodgers a year ago.
Anything we achieve this season is in spite of him,not because of him.
All credit to manager and team ,not Rudkin.

comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted about an hour ago
Please do not give Rudkin any credit,he has been stealing a living from our club and any knowledgeable chairman would have ditched him with Rodgers a year ago.
Anything we achieve this season is in spite of him,not because of him.
All credit to manager and team ,not Rudkin.
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He’s been a huge part of the reason we spiralled from being Brighton to being Sunderland in the space of about 18 months. He’s solely responsible for the contractual mess and the Rodgers shambles in particular sits with him - all on Tops watch of course. However - Maresca was his pick. Now that could be a case of a stopped clock being right etc - I suspect it’s more luck than judgement, but the fact is - he wanted him after Potter turned us down

I’m with you and I don’t agree with Mersey - we shouldn’t be applauding our board for anything right now. All that’s happened is they have begun to put out the fires they inexplicably started that has caused so much needless damage

comment by 99 Problems (but Rodgers ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted about an hour ago
Please do not give Rudkin any credit,he has been stealing a living from our club and any knowledgeable chairman would have ditched him with Rodgers a year ago.
Anything we achieve this season is in spite of him,not because of him.
All credit to manager and team ,not Rudkin.
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He’s been a huge part of the reason we spiralled from being Brighton to being Sunderland in the space of about 18 months. He’s solely responsible for the contractual mess and the Rodgers shambles in particular sits with him - all on Tops watch of course. However - Maresca was his pick. Now that could be a case of a stopped clock being right etc - I suspect it’s more luck than judgement, but the fact is - he wanted him after Potter turned us down

I’m with you and I don’t agree with Mersey - we shouldn’t be applauding our board for anything right now. All that’s happened is they have begun to put out the fires they inexplicably started that has caused so much needless damage
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I’m also with you and not 99. I agree the board deserve zero credit the the shambolic mismanagement of Rodgers and last season. They’ve made bad mistakes but I always think people deserve a chance to rectify them.

Whether Top has the strength to lead our club remains to be seen but a lot has been handled well this summer so we have to acknowledge that. If we do get promoted (IF) next summer will really test the evidence on whether they can lead us forward.

comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by 99 Problems (but Rodgers ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted about an hour ago
Please do not give Rudkin any credit,he has been stealing a living from our club and any knowledgeable chairman would have ditched him with Rodgers a year ago.
Anything we achieve this season is in spite of him,not because of him.
All credit to manager and team ,not Rudkin.
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He’s been a huge part of the reason we spiralled from being Brighton to being Sunderland in the space of about 18 months. He’s solely responsible for the contractual mess and the Rodgers shambles in particular sits with him - all on Tops watch of course. However - Maresca was his pick. Now that could be a case of a stopped clock being right etc - I suspect it’s more luck than judgement, but the fact is - he wanted him after Potter turned us down

I’m with you and I don’t agree with Mersey - we shouldn’t be applauding our board for anything right now. All that’s happened is they have begun to put out the fires they inexplicably started that has caused so much needless damage
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I’m also with you and not 99. I agree the board deserve zero credit the the shambolic mismanagement of Rodgers and last season. They’ve made bad mistakes but I always think people deserve a chance to rectify them.

Whether Top has the strength to lead our club remains to be seen but a lot has been handled well this summer so we have to acknowledge that. If we do get promoted (IF) next summer will really test the evidence on whether they can lead us forward.
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On that logic you’d have given Rodgers chance to rectify his mistakes then? Thought not

Unlike Rodgers - the board can’t be sacked so we have no choice but to hope they can’t get this club back to somewhere close to where it used to be before they dismantled it.

Unlike you though - I don’t see they will succeed in the long term. Tops failure to take action against Rudkin after last season tells you everything you need to know about his leadership. You shouldn’t even need to see what happens next .

The only reason we are where we are this season is because we are too good and should never have been relegated in the first place. That’s to take nothing away from Enzo - but have a look at Burnley for a glimpse into what next season may hold now that this bunch of circus clowns have turned us back into a potential yo-yo club

comment by 99 Problems (but Rodgers ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 12 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by 99 Problems (but Rodgers ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted about an hour ago
Please do not give Rudkin any credit,he has been stealing a living from our club and any knowledgeable chairman would have ditched him with Rodgers a year ago.
Anything we achieve this season is in spite of him,not because of him.
All credit to manager and team ,not Rudkin.
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He’s been a huge part of the reason we spiralled from being Brighton to being Sunderland in the space of about 18 months. He’s solely responsible for the contractual mess and the Rodgers shambles in particular sits with him - all on Tops watch of course. However - Maresca was his pick. Now that could be a case of a stopped clock being right etc - I suspect it’s more luck than judgement, but the fact is - he wanted him after Potter turned us down

I’m with you and I don’t agree with Mersey - we shouldn’t be applauding our board for anything right now. All that’s happened is they have begun to put out the fires they inexplicably started that has caused so much needless damage
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I’m also with you and not 99. I agree the board deserve zero credit the the shambolic mismanagement of Rodgers and last season. They’ve made bad mistakes but I always think people deserve a chance to rectify them.

Whether Top has the strength to lead our club remains to be seen but a lot has been handled well this summer so we have to acknowledge that. If we do get promoted (IF) next summer will really test the evidence on whether they can lead us forward.
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On that logic you’d have given Rodgers chance to rectify his mistakes then? Thought not

Unlike Rodgers - the board can’t be sacked so we have no choice but to hope they can’t get this club back to somewhere close to where it used to be before they dismantled it.

Unlike you though - I don’t see they will succeed in the long term. Tops failure to take action against Rudkin after last season tells you everything you need to know about his leadership. You shouldn’t even need to see what happens next .

The only reason we are where we are this season is because we are too good and should never have been relegated in the first place. That’s to take nothing away from Enzo - but have a look at Burnley for a glimpse into what next season may hold now that this bunch of circus clowns have turned us back into a potential yo-yo club
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Like always 99 I’m pretty sure I’m in violent agreement with you apart from the long term view. I honestly can’t say whether Top will oversee a long term vision or not. But I still think we’re better off with our owners rather than without them.

The structure of the club from top to bottom looks fairly well run and whilst there are flaws we still loom well run to me.

Does that mean I don’t think we were badly miss managed last season? Of course not. The mistakes were terrible and terminal and the blame goes directly to the top. But I was hoping that the underlying structure of our club would mean we came back and so far that is proving to be the case. This season is going well and we need to recognise some of the reasons for that. Getting a managerial appointment right and getting the summer transfer window sorted was a key indicator as to how well we were run.

I don’t think we’re quite aligned on this one. You’ve always maintained that at the core we are a well run club that made mistakes. I’ve always been of the view that a well run club doesn’t nosedive as quickly as we did, let players run their contracts down and financially put itself under a transfer embargo.

All that’s happened is because we were too good to go down, we’ve essentially got the successor to Rodgers right and we look too good to not go up. A lot of credit to Maresca - but the board have a long way to go to prove they have turned the corner. A club like ours shouldn’t be in this division and that’s painfully obvious. They haven’t spiralled further - and as I’ve said, they have begun to put the fires out but that’s a long way from being a club that’s run like Brighton. That’s a well run club.

A well run club proves it is through its longevity, it’s succession planning, financial sustainability and long term direction. We’ve shown very little of that. Let’s not get caught up over a record breaking start to a division we shouldn’t be in. Next season will reveal all

comment by 99 Problems (but Rodgers ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 1 day, 9 hours ago
I don’t think we’re quite aligned on this one. You’ve always maintained that at the core we are a well run club that made mistakes. I’ve always been of the view that a well run club doesn’t nosedive as quickly as we did, let players run their contracts down and financially put itself under a transfer embargo.

All that’s happened is because we were too good to go down, we’ve essentially got the successor to Rodgers right and we look too good to not go up. A lot of credit to Maresca - but the board have a long way to go to prove they have turned the corner. A club like ours shouldn’t be in this division and that’s painfully obvious. They haven’t spiralled further - and as I’ve said, they have begun to put the fires out but that’s a long way from being a club that’s run like Brighton. That’s a well run club.

A well run club proves it is through its longevity, it’s succession planning, financial sustainability and long term direction. We’ve shown very little of that. Let’s not get caught up over a record breaking start to a division we shouldn’t be in. Next season will reveal all
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Yes I agree with most of this. But one challenge, Brighton are seen as a well run club today but we were held up as the poster club in exactly the same way 3 years ago. Other clubs were coming to visit to understand our model and what we were doing so well.

Other clubs have done the same. It takes a long time to build a successful team, and it can often be sustained once you have. But then it always goes pop. Look at Man Utd now and how far they have fallen. And I know you’ll argue they’re not a well run club anymore which they aren’t.

I’m sure Brighton will have some success, but do I think they’ll be a point where a manager leaves, a couple of wrong decisions are made and they fall again? Yes.

It just happened that our mistakes were compounded by holding onto the belief we were too good to go down and that Rodgers wasn’t the problem. Both weren’t true and that was our owners biggest mistake. I still felt the fundamentals of how we were run were solid.

But like you say, next season will reveal all. Let’s wait and see.