Hamilton should retire from F1

I didn't think JB was that ruthless, but he is, and took Hamilton out.

Even MB said it. Anyone who thinks he didn't has some JB tinted glasses on.
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Even if it was JB's fault, can you really say it was malicious? Hamilton's done similar sorts of things that people on here have just written off as racing incidents.

comment by TallAndUseless - Deluded and proud of it (U7652)

posted 6 hours, 56 minutes ago

I didn't think JB was that ruthless, but he is, and took Hamilton out.

Even MB said it. Anyone who thinks he didn't has some JB tinted glasses on.
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Even if it was JB's fault, can you really say it was malicious? Hamilton's done similar sorts of things that people on here have just written off as racing incidents.
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Didn't say it was malicious mate. However if Hamilton had done the same thing, there would be articles and general uproar calling him all sorts of things. Someone here actually called him a potential killer. Which is way out of line.

JB stood up for himself on the day because I think LH felt he could bully JB on the track but on that day he was having none of it and it showed a side of JB which a lot of people didn't know including LH. Good on JB for protecting his line.

LH has been involved in a variety of incidents and I do not believe any was malicious but a lot of people treat his incidents differently when compared to other drivers, I wonder why?

That's inconsistent and unfair

LH has been involved in a variety of incidents and I do not believe any was malicious but a lot of people treat his incidents differently when compared to other drivers, I wonder why?

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The two incidents you are talking about are completely different. One happened in near zero visibility, yesterdays incident happened in was in perfect viability and he wasn't 'protecting his line' at all.

If it happened once or twice, people would be fine with it but it is happening nearly every race, theres something wrong with that IMO.

comment by Moses'-SWA (U2460)

posted 24 minutes ago

LH has been involved in a variety of incidents and I do not believe any was malicious but a lot of people treat his incidents differently when compared to other drivers, I wonder why?

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The two incidents you are talking about are completely different. One happened in near zero visibility, yesterdays incident happened in was in perfect viability and he wasn't 'protecting his line' at all.

If it happened once or twice, people would be fine with it but it is happening nearly every race, theres something wrong with that IMO.
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So do you believe Hamilton goes into races thinking I'll crash into someone today and wreck my race because it's a fun thing to do?

Give me a break. Where was the outrage when Kobayashi took him out in Spa or when Kobayashi caused a huge accident in Monaco affecting 5 drivers?

We can't have one rule for Hamilton and another for other drivers who do similar or worse things on the race track. That's not fair.

I'll give you an example, Alonso was reportedly in the know about his team mates crash in Singapore, what happened to him? That in my opinion is worse than even Schumacher's shunts on all and sundry. He's still racing though, helping end his current team mates F1 career. Where are the people shouting from the rooftops about this?

Most of the people who comment on Hamilton are probably very new to this sport. Senna and Schumacher are legends in F1 and deliberately and maliciously took people out of races. They are still held in high regard but a driver willing to entertain the fans by trying to overtake people is public enemy number 1.

It's disgraceful.

That's why I prefer motogp, no girls crying to stewards about everything. Truth be told, motogp is a lot more dangerous than F1 but the riders are allowed to get on with it, which doesn't happen in F1.

Button looked into his mirrors and saw Hamilton, if he didn't why did he shout down the radio, saying what is he doing. He looked at his mirrors and took him out. Why are people struggling with this, JB stood up to LH and I respect him for it. Don't make excuses, he knew what he was doing.

So do you believe Hamilton goes into races thinking I'll crash into someone today and wreck my race because it's a fun thing to do?

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What? go back and read my comments without making assumptions then come back.

Lewis has been involved in far too many incidents for them all to be considered accidents, I am not say he did them on purpose but it is his biggest weakness, crashing far too often for him to be able to be consistently up there at the end of a season.

Button is involved in one incident, in low viability, driving the racing line whilst Hamilton tries to sneak past him, that was Hamiltons fault, he shouldn't have been there, slowed down so he didn't hit Button.

Entertaining? it takes a rather simple mind to be entertained by crashing

Button is involved in one incident, in low viability, driving the racing line whilst Hamilton tries to sneak past him, that was Hamiltons fault, he shouldn't have been there, slowed down so he didn't hit Button.

Entertaining? it takes a rather simple mind to be entertained by crashing
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Have I criticised Button for his move on Hamilton in Canada? I haven't, he was infront and was entitled to take any racing line he chose. The point I was making, is that he looked into his mirrors and moved over to block Hamilton, even in poor conditions, it was as clear as day.

Note: I'm not criticising Button for doing this, this will be the third or fourth time in this thread alone where I praised him for the move.

Hamilton has been involved in way too many incidents this season but the point i'm making is that they weren't malicious but genuine attempts to attempt an overtake. They didn't work.

However people do the same thing on the race track and do not get the punishment he does or the abuse which is unfair.

I thought we were having a debate, no need for the insults about me being simple minded because I like a good scrap on the race track.

No one wants dangerous reckless driving on the race track. I do not believe LH is a dangerous driver, over ambitious at times but not dangerous.

I'll apologise for the simple minded remark, from your posts, I can see your not.

I don't think that anybody is saying there is malice in his driving, just recklesness and hot headiness. I beleive you can be entertaining on the track and win races without being reckless.

"I'll give you an example, Alonso was reportedly in the know about his team mates crash in Singapore."

It's funny how Hamilton fanboys always resort to making up stuff about Alonso in order to deflect from Hamilton's massive, massive failings as a racing driver.


Hamilton crashes into people without a care in the world. He does it deliberately and has done it all throughout his career - he realises that if he takes a few people out when trying to "overtake" them, then in the future they'll jump out of his way for fear of having their race ended. However a lot of drivers seem to have been standing up to him this season (especially Massa), perhaps in the hope that the stewards will finally ban him from the sport, but as yet, they've only given him the smallest of token penalties. If he was in a HRT and caused half as many crashes as he has this season, he'd have been chucked out of the sport long ago.
Look at the Mercedes cars in Singapore - they held up everyone else that came up behind them, except for Hamilton. They knew that it was a massive risk to their race to have that maniac behind them, so had to let him pass. Such a depressing moment for the sport, when one guy is such a bad racer that other teams tell their drivers to let him by.
Need Hamilton out of the sport before he destroys it.

comment by Moses'-SWA (U2460)

posted 1 hour ago

I'll apologise for the simple minded remark, from your posts, I can see your not.

I don't think that anybody is saying there is malice in his driving, just recklesness and hot headiness. I beleive you can be entertaining on the track and win races without being reckless.
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I agree with you. He needs to understand that there are many laps in races and will get chances later on. I think he will learn from his mistakes this year and it will make him a better driver.

Having JB as a team mate will help develop that side of his racecraft.

Good honest debate, great stuff.

Look at the post below yours for an example of the nonsense people post about him.

Of course Lewis shouldn't retire, but by his standards it has been a poor season results wise.

He's obviously a massive talent, but there have for whatever reason been a lot if incidents on the track involving him.

I don't think his state of mind is as good as in previous seasons, and I don't think it's do to with Jenson driving well. I think it's more of a management/supportive issue, in that Lewis doesn't seem to have such a good set up that he had when his dad was at every grand prix, and for that matter you don't see his brother Nick, or his gf Nicole so often.

His new manager is the bloke who set up the Spice Girls isn't it? Well not being funny but why does Lewis need a manager like that? He's not a pop star, and he's gained his fame through his own talent and the results that he has gained through that talent.

He's a good guy, and a nice guy, but this season he's been a lot more outspoken (and not always a good way). I think that he would be happier with his family back at the grand prix supporting him, and then he can concentrate on getting himself another title.

Jenson has been fantastic this season, especially in the 2nd half and I hope it bodes well that we'll have a british champion next season. It's about time McLaren won another championship, and with the 2 drivers they have as long as they've a good car, then either can win.