Kilmarnock to ditch 4G

and finally if you look at the amount of games we actually televise comopared to our peers its embarassing, with most of the leagues around our level showing every game or far more (Sweden 240 compared to our 60 which Sky dont even fullfill). To get to the number of televised games that is similar to us then you need to go to the womens game (who still show more).

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 23 minutes ago
That 14 makes sense, issue would be if Hibs/Hearts/Aberdeen finish outwith the top 6 then there’s less games tv would be interested in
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lose out on what ? as a base amount I think Rangers get about 900k a season (plus extra dependant on where they finish Im sure).

its a pittance and a fraction of what other countries get. countries like Poland, Romania etc dwarf our deal.

What I will say however is that we often get bashed for how poor scottish teams are in europe.

Well we are above about 7 leagues that earn much more than us, and have no leagues at all ranked above us with a lesser tv deal. Its another example of how poorly marketed out product is. And to think it was only Livi and Rangers that really questioned the deal and didnt want top accept it.
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Our tv deal is obviously pash, no point discussing that, it’s simply a fact it’s poor as I said earlier.

To us 900k is small fry but for smaller teams it’ll be a far larger and a significant proportion of their income - and so they will definitely care.

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 23 minutes ago
That 14 makes sense, issue would be if Hibs/Hearts/Aberdeen finish outwith the top 6 then there’s less games tv would be interested in
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lose out on what ? as a base amount I think Rangers get about 900k a season (plus extra dependant on where they finish Im sure).

its a pittance and a fraction of what other countries get. countries like Poland, Romania etc dwarf our deal.

What I will say however is that we often get bashed for how poor scottish teams are in europe.

Well we are above about 7 leagues that earn much more than us, and have no leagues at all ranked above us with a lesser tv deal. Its another example of how poorly marketed out product is. And to think it was only Livi and Rangers that really questioned the deal and didnt want top accept it.
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Our tv deal is obviously pash, no point discussing that, it’s simply a fact it’s poor as I said earlier.

To us 900k is small fry but for smaller teams it’ll be a far larger and a significant proportion of their income - and so they will definitely care.
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but how much lesser can it be? it should be more as shown above.

HB … Hear what you’re saying on 7/7 split vs my favoured 6/8, but surely there’s potential sporting integrity issues if 1 team in each half has a bye week every week … Imagine the final day, when all games currently kick-off at the same time, as the title, Euro & relegation spots might still be up for grabs … except 1 team in each half has already completed their fixtures. Hmm. Suppose you could fix it to an extent by making sure said teams are the ones that finished 7th & 8th at the split, so the ones less likely to still be playing for something at either end of the table on the final day? To be fair, your 7/7 split idea at least preserves the existing 38 games for every team. I’m warming to it.

I've no idea if our TV deal is good or not. There are so many factors. Not least geography with Norway being 3x larger, Sweden 4x larger in area than England far less Scotland. Getting to games is tough. Even in the 'golden triangle' main populated area it's 6.5hrs Malmo to Stockholm. Fans can't get to games so easy making TV the prime focus. 240 games is a lot for the money.

Our market is hugely distorted by our neighbours. Sky will argue Scots per head watch more English games than Asia and it is probably true?

The only consistent thing that is clear to me is two clubs are too big for the league they are in.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 23 minutes ago
That 14 makes sense, issue would be if Hibs/Hearts/Aberdeen finish outwith the top 6 then there’s less games tv would be interested in
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lose out on what ? as a base amount I think Rangers get about 900k a season (plus extra dependant on where they finish Im sure).

its a pittance and a fraction of what other countries get. countries like Poland, Romania etc dwarf our deal.

What I will say however is that we often get bashed for how poor scottish teams are in europe.

Well we are above about 7 leagues that earn much more than us, and have no leagues at all ranked above us with a lesser tv deal. Its another example of how poorly marketed out product is. And to think it was only Livi and Rangers that really questioned the deal and didnt want top accept it.
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Our tv deal is obviously pash, no point discussing that, it’s simply a fact it’s poor as I said earlier.

To us 900k is small fry but for smaller teams it’ll be a far larger and a significant proportion of their income - and so they will definitely care.
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but how much lesser can it be? it should be more as shown above.
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I mean you’re talking about a hypothetical world which is pointless.

The tv deal is what it is, Sky aren’t even showing all the games. If there are less games between the big teams, they’d value it even lower. Although the split option mentioned since addresses that to be fair.

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 23 minutes ago
That 14 makes sense, issue would be if Hibs/Hearts/Aberdeen finish outwith the top 6 then there’s less games tv would be interested in
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lose out on what ? as a base amount I think Rangers get about 900k a season (plus extra dependant on where they finish Im sure).

its a pittance and a fraction of what other countries get. countries like Poland, Romania etc dwarf our deal.

What I will say however is that we often get bashed for how poor scottish teams are in europe.

Well we are above about 7 leagues that earn much more than us, and have no leagues at all ranked above us with a lesser tv deal. Its another example of how poorly marketed out product is. And to think it was only Livi and Rangers that really questioned the deal and didnt want top accept it.
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Our tv deal is obviously pash, no point discussing that, it’s simply a fact it’s poor as I said earlier.

To us 900k is small fry but for smaller teams it’ll be a far larger and a significant proportion of their income - and so they will definitely care.
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but how much lesser can it be? it should be more as shown above.
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I mean you’re talking about a hypothetical world which is pointless.

The tv deal is what it is, Sky aren’t even showing all the games. If there are less games between the big teams, they’d value it even lower. Although the split option mentioned since addresses that to be fair.
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yes well it could be more, especially if the deal isnt made by the idiots in charge just now. We get far less than other leagues who have lesser populations AND lesser viewers. Our deal is a laughing stock.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 23 minutes ago
That 14 makes sense, issue would be if Hibs/Hearts/Aberdeen finish outwith the top 6 then there’s less games tv would be interested in
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lose out on what ? as a base amount I think Rangers get about 900k a season (plus extra dependant on where they finish Im sure).

its a pittance and a fraction of what other countries get. countries like Poland, Romania etc dwarf our deal.

What I will say however is that we often get bashed for how poor scottish teams are in europe.

Well we are above about 7 leagues that earn much more than us, and have no leagues at all ranked above us with a lesser tv deal. Its another example of how poorly marketed out product is. And to think it was only Livi and Rangers that really questioned the deal and didnt want top accept it.
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Our tv deal is obviously pash, no point discussing that, it’s simply a fact it’s poor as I said earlier.

To us 900k is small fry but for smaller teams it’ll be a far larger and a significant proportion of their income - and so they will definitely care.
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but how much lesser can it be? it should be more as shown above.
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I mean you’re talking about a hypothetical world which is pointless.

The tv deal is what it is, Sky aren’t even showing all the games. If there are less games between the big teams, they’d value it even lower. Although the split option mentioned since addresses that to be fair.
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yes well it could be more, especially if the deal isnt made by the idiots in charge just now. We get far less than other leagues who have lesser populations AND lesser viewers. Our deal is a laughing stock.
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Agree. But that has nothing to do with the point Even with a tv that offered value, taking away big games would reduce that.

Hate the 7/7 idea

Hate any idea that has a split...introducing the split in our league, imho, was theoment things started going downhill

Get rid of the 4 leagues, just make it a top tier and a 2nd teir, 20 team top tier, 22 team second their, with minimum of 3 guaranteed pomotion/relegation spots

Variety is the spice of life, that's exactly what our setup needs...playing different teams every week and allowing plenty opportunity for the Scottish "Wrexham's" to actually make their way up the league if they have the means and will to do so

For too long we have tried to protect the top tier and the league system from the pyramid below....all it has done is make things stale

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
Hate the 7/7 idea

Hate any idea that has a split...introducing the split in our league, imho, was theoment things started going downhill

Get rid of the 4 leagues, just make it a top tier and a 2nd teir, 20 team top tier, 22 team second their, with minimum of 3 guaranteed pomotion/relegation spots

Variety is the spice of life, that's exactly what our setup needs...playing different teams every week and allowing plenty opportunity for the Scottish "Wrexham's" to actually make their way up the league if they have the means and will to do so

For too long we have tried to protect the top tier and the league system from the pyramid below....all it has done is make things stale
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Never going to happen.

Idea of Hollywood actors investing in a smaller Scottish club is just lovely.