Have seen enough of his calamities. Get him out!
Ramsdale has done much much less to be dropped.
Whats it going to take for Raya to be dropped? He’s now had several poor performances that have almost cost us points.
Clearly he’s the managers favourite and thats never great for the dressing room - just look at UTD.
I’m sure Ramsdale and his close mates within the team are looking at Arteta and questioning his decision. This is when players start to get frustrated and a divide starts to kick in.
Arteta needs pulled up on this. He has undoubtedly put a level of pressure and scrutiny on both of them that no other keeper in the league has.
If this was Ramsdale, he’d be dropped already.
After the game, Arteta was asked by a sky sports journalist
“what were you thoughts on David Rayas performance and his two errors that cost you a goal"?
Artetas response
“We have to defend better certain situations leading to the goal". “Won’t blame certain people".
So basically these two goals were not Rayas fault but the fault of the defenders and midfielders.
Arteta will eventually create a divide in the dressing room.
David Raya
posted on 6/12/23
Looks at OPs post history
Drop Raya, drop Saka, drop Zinchenko, Eddie, Trossard, Martinelli, Jorginho, Jesus & Gabriel
Is there anyone at the club the OP thinks deserves to play (apart from the useless Pepe who we thankfully binned)?
posted on 6/12/23
i'm a spurs fan but I agree with Arteta,s response to say we don't blame certain players , if he comes out and says he was awful or the goals where he's fault to the press it would create a divide in the team , Raya knows he's at fault already and behind closed doors will be spoken to.
posted on 6/12/23
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 45 minutes ago
All keepers make mistakes. Raya's attempt to stop Luton's third was very similar to Ederson against Spurs. Henry explained what he did wrong after the game. Similarly, he should have been more decisive and punched the ball for Luton's second.
But the fact is he has technical deficiencies, and he is not as good as Ramsdale in shot stopping. Ramsdale is poor with the ball at his feet but he is young enough to develop a kicking game.
The problem is Ramsdale has been non-committal, and that gets up Arteta's nose. So we really are stuck. I bet if Ramsdale had kept his head down, he would have been back in goal by now. Arteta has probably made up his mind to sell Ramsdale! And once again, just like Leno and Emi we would be keeping the worst keeper.
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The bigger concern for me is his record on crosses. If we look back he was partly to blame for the first goal against Tottenham as a result of not taking a cross in the build up, got done at Chelsea, Newcastle and again yesterday. We won't win the league with him in goal he makes too many mistakes. We need a goalkeeper in January, how likely is that to happen not very I would imagine. Arteta really needs to be taken to task over this situation we've got a really good chance to win the league and I fear this could derail our season in terms of winning the league.
posted on 6/12/23
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 45 minutes ago
All keepers make mistakes. Raya's attempt to stop Luton's third was very similar to Ederson against Spurs. Henry explained what he did wrong after the game. Similarly, he should have been more decisive and punched the ball for Luton's second.
But the fact is he has technical deficiencies, and he is not as good as Ramsdale in shot stopping. Ramsdale is poor with the ball at his feet but he is young enough to develop a kicking game.
The problem is Ramsdale has been non-committal, and that gets up Arteta's nose. So we really are stuck. I bet if Ramsdale had kept his head down, he would have been back in goal by now. Arteta has probably made up his mind to sell Ramsdale! And once again, just like Leno and Emi we would be keeping the worst keeper.
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The bigger concern for me is his record on crosses. If we look back he was partly to blame for the first goal against Tottenham as a result of not taking a cross in the build up, got done at Chelsea, Newcastle and again yesterday. We won't win the league with him in goal he makes too many mistakes. We need a goalkeeper in January, how likely is that to happen not very I would imagine. Arteta really needs to be taken to task over this situation we've got a really good chance to win the league and I fear this could derail our season in terms of winning the league.
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We have 2 quality keepers on our hands. An absolute luxury compared to the meagre options available in other positions at the moment.
Just look at our bench last night. Zinchenko, Trossard, Ramsdale, Walters, Soares, Jorgy, Elneny, Nelson and Nketiah.
Take out Zinchenko, Trossard and Ramsdale and the rest would struggle to hold down a place at Burnley.
Last thing we should be thinking about is more keepers.
posted on 6/12/23
As an outsider, Raya was Arteta’s appointment and as bad as it is for Ramsdale, Arteta must stick with him
posted on 6/12/23
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
We have 2 quality keepers on our hands. An absolute luxury compared to the meagre options available in other positions at the moment.
Just look at our bench last night. Zinchenko, Trossard, Ramsdale, Walters, Soares, Jorgy, Elneny, Nelson and Nketiah.
Take out Zinchenko, Trossard and Ramsdale and the rest would struggle to hold down a place at Burnley.
Last thing we should be thinking about is more keepers.
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Despite Arteta's recent rhetoric, I think Arsenal are trying to sell Ramsdale in the winter window.
posted on 6/12/23
Whoever the gk is the amount of pressure on them will be immense.
The media and to an extent Arteta have made this into a bigger issue that it is.
Any error Raya or Ramsdale make will be highlighted 100% that alone causes doubt in a gk and to honest confidence for both must be pretty low.
Whoever plays in gk I'm expecting errors not due to ability but just pressure alone.
posted on 6/12/23
Although the pressure narrative has some legitimacy, the truth is any goalkeeper going for the title is going to be under pressure and mistakes will be magnified, just like Ramsdale's blunders were at the end of last season. Both our keepers need to have big balls and a short memory, or they shouldn't be playing at the highest levels.
posted on 7/12/23
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 day, 3 hours ago
All keepers make mistakes. Raya's attempt to stop Luton's third was very similar to Ederson against Spurs. Henry explained what he did wrong after the game. Similarly, he should have been more decisive and punched the ball for Luton's second.
But the fact is he has technical deficiencies, and he is not as good as Ramsdale in shot stopping. Ramsdale is poor with the ball at his feet but he is young enough to develop a kicking game.
The problem is Ramsdale has been non-committal, and that gets up Arteta's nose. So we really are stuck. I bet if Ramsdale had kept his head down, he would have been back in goal by now. Arteta has probably made up his mind to sell Ramsdale! And once again, just like Leno and Emi we would be keeping the worst keeper.
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Neither of the goals was acceptable and to have both in the same game, soon after similar issues against Chelsea and Newcastle, is unforgivable.
Arteta needs to swallow his pride and mend fences with Ramsdale. If he doesn't, he runs a very real risk of taking another good chance at a title challenge and ruining it all by his own decisions.
posted on 7/12/23
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 19 hours, 2 minutes ago
Whoever the gk is the amount of pressure on them will be immense.
The media and to an extent Arteta have made this into a bigger issue that it is.
Any error Raya or Ramsdale make will be highlighted 100% that alone causes doubt in a gk and to honest confidence for both must be pretty low.
Whoever plays in gk I'm expecting errors not due to ability but just pressure alone.
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The problem is that both goalkeepers have their technical shortcomings to add to the pressure issue, but while Ramsdale's concern his footwork, which until recent years hasn't been a major aspect of goalkeeping, Raya's involve cross handling and to a degree shot stopping, both of which are fundamental to goalkeeping. Poor capability with aerial balls alone is bad - there was a reason they used to call David James 'Dracula'.
Of the two keepers we have, Ramsdale's problems are easier to compensate for, and less likely to be directly costly.