for the Glazers.
There’s a theory going around online and even suggested by some on here that ETH is trying to get rid of the high earners at the club.
Those high earners were/are Ronaldo, De Gea, Sancho, Varane and Casemiro.
I don’t believe there is anything in this and their wages are just coincidental.
Ronaldo had declined massively and was detrimental to the team when starting games. ETH was happy to use him as a squad player and arguably played him more than Ronaldo’s performances deserved. Unless something happened behind the scenes that we are unaware of it appears Ronaldo was the issue not ETH.
De Gea wasn’t treated the best imo but he had accepted a reduced contract. Surely if ETH and the Glazers were in cahoots in penny pinching, the obvious choice would have been to keep him rather than splash out 50 million to replace him. I’m sure Onana isn’t exactly on minimum wage either.
Sancho was given time off last season by ETH to help his mental health. He threw it in ETH’s face this season. I’m sure if he apologised he’d play.
Varane probably should be playing more but I don’t think it’s anything personal. ETH has a way he wants to play and Varane isn’t fitting that right now.
There has been no issues between ETH and Casemiro reported. He’s taken him off early on occasions for playing poorly but that’s it. Also he was signed during ETH’s reign for an extortionate price for a 30 year old DM so why are his wages a problem a year later?
So yes it’s all a myth and coincidental imo.
The theory that ETH is penny pinching
posted on 8/12/23
Well it hasn’t worked for us has it. Maybe pay players a more realistic wage rather than one they don’t deserve. Who have we sold on for a profit?
posted on 8/12/23
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 56 minutes ago
Martial, Sancho, Antony, AWB, Depay. You could also add Diallo who’s been at the club for over 3 seasons.
Shaw is the only ‘young star’ we’ve bought who’s turned out well and that took about 5-6 years to happen.
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PAUL POGBA!
posted on 8/12/23
Who?
posted on 8/12/23
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Martial, Sancho, Antony, AWB, Depay. You could also add Diallo who’s been at the club for over 3 seasons.
Shaw is the only ‘young star’ we’ve bought who’s turned out well and that took about 5-6 years to happen.
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It's an extremely poor list considering you've gone back 10 years to compile it, and they'd already broken through at high profile clubs.
Daz, Pogba's a Fergie era player who you signed back as a 23 or 24-year-old Juventus starter with multiple titles to his name.
posted on 8/12/23
It’s still 8 ’young stars’ over 9 years who have all failed bar Shaw. On top of the money we spent on them and their wages we’ve made very little selling any of them on. It’s not a particular good record is it?
posted on 8/12/23
It's a terrible list, and 7 names over 10 seasons (Shaw's in his 10th season now) is a very poor ratio. Some of them weren't really all that young either, and had already broken through at CL-level clubs.
If I compiled a similar list of Madrid players in the same time frame
posted on 9/12/23
The point was never that we only spend money on young players, just that we’ve spent a fortune on some that have pretty much all been bad buys because we’re terrible at developing players. Real clearly buy more young players, and have a far higher success rate, it’s seems to be a very important part of their squad building. On top of us trying to buy young players we also buy plenty of older players which Real don’t do.
Us buying young talent, giving them big contracts and not developing them is one of many issues the club have post Ferguson.
posted on 9/12/23
In that case, I really don't know what we're discussing. The original point I made was that your transfer priorities have been in the wrong place for a number of years and that it's wound you up in a perennial game of catch up.
Saying you haven't looked at signing and developing younger players isn't supposed to literally mean 'zero players', I'd have thought that ought to be obvious.
I'd say the number and respective ages of the players you supplied actually back that point up, although in fairness that's a non-exhaustive list, as you'd have to add others like Dalot, Pellistri, Garnacho and Malacia, all of whom I think might have been signed younger than Antony or Wan Bissaka, and are mostly too unproven as yet to say whether or not they'll turn out well.
As for the money side of things, that's a bit of mystery. Martial can't have been signed on the wages he's currently on. I don't really know what kind of money the others arrived on, but demands are always going to be higher when a player has already stood out at clubs like Dortmund, Ajax, PSV and the likes.
posted on 9/12/23
Sorry, I was just backing up Darren’s point
“We’ve spent big plenty on perceived young stars, as well as our academy players, and paid them facking handsomely”
I think the list I mentioned can all be labelled as ‘young stars’,I still think we offer higher wages than rivals and don’t seem to do the proper due diligence to check whether players are the right profile. Martial has never looked like having the right mentality, there are plenty of stories of Sancho’s lack of professionalism both at City and Dortmund, we knew AWB was useless offensively, that Antony has no right foot or pace, we played Depay out of position.
Regarding Dalot, Pellistri, Garnacho or Malacia, we didn’t pay much for them which is why I didn’t mention them. And tbf the 3 we paid a bit for don’t look any good while Garnacho was bought at 16 for the youth team rather than the first team. We’ve always and will continue to look for players around that age to take from other academies to develop in our own.
We didn’t give Martial the wage he’s currently on when we first bought him but I remember it still being a lot, and he’s definitely done nothing to justify getting a raise and the reports we might extend his contract for a year is ridiculous if true.
posted on 9/12/23
The De Gea is probably the best of all.
If we believe the wages he had agreed to be on and the wages Onana is said to be on it would take over 10 years of Onana being on the same wages to save money on this deal.
It’s essentially like me saying my petrol car is costing me too much, giving it away for free, buying an electric car for 50k and believing I’m saving money.