Is José Mourinho finished at the top level?

13/14 2nd
14/15 2nd
15/16 3rd
16/17 2nd
17/18 3rd
18/19 6th
19/20 5th (nearly broke even)
20/21 7th (nearly broke even)


In comes Mourinho
21/22 6th (spent 130m)
22/23 6th

So an intertoto cup and reaching the final of the ropey for 130m. Roma fans turning against him following the parking the bus tactic against Lazio. They have now by the sounds of things got fed up with the Jose anti-football, as all those that came before them.

Jose is washed up. His pragmatic football is dated and dull. He should go to Saudi or back to Portugal imo.

TBF he did spend a lot (especially for an Italian club) in his first summer but over the 3 seasons his net spend at Roma is €16m in profit. He's had to sell loads the past 2 summers. Either way it doesn't look like they made them any better but I'm sure plenty of Roma fans will like him for winning the Conference League.

If Howe doesn't get Newcastle into the CL this season, I can see them bringing in Jose.

comment by Garnacho cheese (U5318)
posted 6 hours, 34 minutes ago
If Howe doesn't get Newcastle into the CL this season, I can see them bringing in Jose.
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That would really fly against their approach thus far though. When they've spent it's been largely on "sensible" rather than Hollywood signings. Appointing Howe was about as far away from appointing a Mourinho type manager...

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 16 hours, 29 minutes ago
TBF he did spend a lot (especially for an Italian club) in his first summer but over the 3 seasons his net spend at Roma is €16m in profit. He's had to sell loads the past 2 summers. Either way it doesn't look like they made them any better but I'm sure plenty of Roma fans will like him for winning the Conference League.
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I think someone earlier thread (or might've been elsewhere) mentioned that wages are one of Roma's big issues. They might have saved on transfer fees, but players like Lukaku and Dybala can't be cheap.

No idea how reliable this site is, but going by their estimates Roma pay significantly more than anyone else in Serie A bar Juve and Inter

https://www.capology.com/club/roma/salaries/

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 hours, 21 minutes ago
He probably won't get another big job. Whether he is "finished", I'm not sure.

Let's not forget, most of his success hasn't come at "the top". Porto, Inter Milan, Chelsea, they aren't/weren't huge clubs at the time he took over, they weren't successful. The underdog mentality suits him.

However such is the gap in resources there's only so far good management will take you.
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As per the article:

"I don't mean top job in terms of club size or reputation, but in terms of a club from one of the major European leagues who could credibly say to him, "José, we want you to win us the league and Champions League title, and we'll provide you with the necessary funds to do it"? What chance a club like Newcastle United, for example, choosing him ahead of other potential candidates for a job like that?"


Chelsea completely fit that bill. They were outspending almost everyone else at the time and had finished runners-up the season before his arrival.

Inter were one of two clubs at the time who were realistic contenders in Italy, although winning the CL as part of a treble was an amazing achievement.

At Porto he genuinely did capture lightning in a bottle, but that's two decades ago now and I find it very difficult to see him managing a club to anything close to that level of achievement nowadays.

No he won't win a PL title for sure. His management has diminishing returns so he will never build teams like SAF, Pep or to a lesser extent Klopp.

But his ability to go deep in cup competitions means that I can see why some clubs might take a punt on him.

At Porto he genuinely did capture lightning in a bottle, but that's two decades ago now and I find it very difficult to see him managing a club to anything close to that level of achievement nowadays.

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Even there he had a stroke of luck. An especially strong group of players by Porto's historic standards, including Deco who was then a pivotal player in Barcelona's CL win. And it was one of those years when none of the European giants had an outstanding side. They finished second in their group, and then met a United side in transition and well off the pace in the PL (and still needed a goal incorrectly ruled offside and a last-minute goalkeeping howler from Roy Carroll to get past us), followed by Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco to become champions of Europe. A huge achievement, and an incredible coaching job which justified the move to clubs on the biggest stage. But it still needed a fair bit of luck to win the cup (as, to be fair, any manager would need).

@RR, certainly, although I don't think it detracts from the scale of the achievement. Almost every victorious CL campaign requires the odd stroke of luck and a number of factors to fall into place, and even in favourable circumstances it's a massive achievement for a club like Porto to win it.

It's also worth remembering that even though they don't have the glamour of the bigger names, the clubs you mentioned were no pushovers at the time and had all thoroughly earned the right to reach the respective stages at which they met Porto.

Another thing worth mentioning is that it had been several seasons since Porto's last Primeira title. They were floundering in the league when he took over, and in his first full season, he took them to a domestic double and the UEFA Cup title. The series of successes they strung together was nothing short of remarkable.