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Say what your like about the manager... that should have been at least a draw.

Soft penalty to equalise but you get them so no real complaints. Absolutely criminal defending for the winner though. If you can't win, don't lose. And certainly don't leave their dangerman free on the edge of the box from a corner .

It's very very difficult for a manager to succeed when it seems to be a tactic that once you go one goal up, that's it, you abandon all thoughts of going out and adding to that margin. It's tightrope football and with a defence as obliterated and as weak as ours to begin with, it's a tactic that can't succeed. And it isn't succeeding.

At this stage you'd think he might see us dropping so many late points and think "you know, we'd possibly be more successful if we gave ourselves more margin for error by trying to extend our one goal lead now and again." But it never changes and it won't under ETH, that is now evident.

comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 28 minutes ago
It's very very difficult for a manager to succeed when it seems to be a tactic that once you go one goal up, that's it, you abandon all thoughts of going out and adding to that margin. It's tightrope football and with a defence as obliterated and as weak as ours to begin with, it's a tactic that can't succeed. And it isn't succeeding.

At this stage you'd think he might see us dropping so many late points and think "you know, we'd possibly be more successful if we gave ourselves more margin for error by trying to extend our one goal lead now and again." But it never changes and it won't under ETH, that is now evident.
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We've also conceded many chances this year when attacking naively, committing too many forward, trying high risk passes / shots when leading. Bruno losing the ball with a very speculative shot against Luton, leading to a counter-attack that very nearly resulted in their equaliser springs to mind.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 28 minutes ago
It's very very difficult for a manager to succeed when it seems to be a tactic that once you go one goal up, that's it, you abandon all thoughts of going out and adding to that margin. It's tightrope football and with a defence as obliterated and as weak as ours to begin with, it's a tactic that can't succeed. And it isn't succeeding.

At this stage you'd think he might see us dropping so many late points and think "you know, we'd possibly be more successful if we gave ourselves more margin for error by trying to extend our one goal lead now and again." But it never changes and it won't under ETH, that is now evident.
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We've also conceded many chances this year when attacking naively, committing too many forward, trying high risk passes / shots when leading. Bruno losing the ball with a very speculative shot against Luton, leading to a counter-attack that very nearly resulted in their equaliser springs to mind.
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There's a difference between committing too many men forward naively and abandoning all intention of actually having any shots on goal, full stop. How many shots did we muster against Chelsea after going in front last night? And contrast that to how easily we were getting through them before that?

It doesn't need to be all or nothing. You can carry some threat without committing too many men forward. Just as you can avoid throwing away leads every week by not just sitting on a lead, inviting the opposition to attack with glorious abandonment.

Unfortunately not under ETH though

The club is in a state after years of mismanagement. The hope that SJR can change the course of the club is there, but it’s going to take 2-3 years before there’s any noticeable improvement in performances. Absolutely pointless going through the management merry go round now. I actually thought we played well for big parts of the game, but the injuries we’ve got and are still getting are killing us. No continuity at all to help build any kind of momentum.

Also, how many times was Mainoo fouled last night and not a single free kick?!

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Really high? Yeah he's really high
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Got banned on the match thread so just want to say FFS
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String banned you?
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Yep just thought his wording was inadvertently out about the Busby babes, Vengeance got karted as well
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What did String say aboot the busby babes?
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Something about the badge and they died hard for it
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He was trying to be funny but it was in bad taste, completely inappropriate. He realised the error of his ways and inadvertently banned us by deleting his post and all the corresponding responses containing his original post. He's not evil but so angry at him nonetheless.
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You got banned by admin under your Plumpy guises for calling out posters on here as Paedophiles.

Take a look at yourself you condescending mess.

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comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
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I don't think Ten Hag is a bad manager. Far from it. That doesn't mean he's the right manager for United though, sadly. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

I guess we all know there are problems with the quality of the players too but the buck stops with the manager.

It'd be a miracle if he turns it round from here IMO.
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That's the thing he's not a manager, he's a coach who has been placed in a position to operate as manager.

Within the right structure, with the freedom to just coach, he'll succeed.
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Plumpy you are beginning to sound a bit like Comical Ali did in the Iraq War.

comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
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comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 28 minutes ago
It's very very difficult for a manager to succeed when it seems to be a tactic that once you go one goal up, that's it, you abandon all thoughts of going out and adding to that margin. It's tightrope football and with a defence as obliterated and as weak as ours to begin with, it's a tactic that can't succeed. And it isn't succeeding.

At this stage you'd think he might see us dropping so many late points and think "you know, we'd possibly be more successful if we gave ourselves more margin for error by trying to extend our one goal lead now and again." But it never changes and it won't under ETH, that is now evident.
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We've also conceded many chances this year when attacking naively, committing too many forward, trying high risk passes / shots when leading. Bruno losing the ball with a very speculative shot against Luton, leading to a counter-attack that very nearly resulted in their equaliser springs to mind.
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There's a difference between committing too many men forward naively and abandoning all intention of actually having any shots on goal, full stop. How many shots did we muster against Chelsea after going in front last night? And contrast that to how easily we were getting through them before that?

It doesn't need to be all or nothing. You can carry some threat without committing too many men forward. Just as you can avoid throwing away leads every week by not just sitting on a lead, inviting the opposition to attack with glorious abandonment.

Unfortunately not under ETH though
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I agree that we should get the balance right between avoiding unnecessary risk when leading and still posing some threat to the other side. My point was that these examples of recklessly overcommitting to attacks or conceding possession with overambitious attempts are a caveat to your original view that we "abandon all thoughts of going out and adding to that margin" once we're in the lead.

I thought last night we did look to hit Chelsea on the break - just didn't counter particularly effectively - and that compared with other matches we largely managed that balance between conservatism and adventure reasonably well. We even kept safe possession of the ball for extended spells. I think it was the psychological blow of 8 minutes of injury time that broke the camel's back (and conversely gave Chelsea a boost, according to Cole Palmer). But despite our lapses, it was a pretty soft penalty and a wicked deflection that turned the game. I'm not trying to challenge the overall argument about what's wrong with this United side, but I would say last night's collapse, despite feeling so familiar because the score flipped, isn't a particularly good example of it.

Would you do a straight swap on managers with us tomorrow...?

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 hours, 36 minutes ago
Would you do a straight swap on managers with us tomorrow...?
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That would be interesting. They might be better suited to each other's roles.