How was that not a Penalty?

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
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Ohh...shouty...
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This ^

comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
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comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
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comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
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comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
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comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
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comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
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comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
But I'd be surprised if he'd criticised the referee's failure to award a penalty had the same sequence of events played out from a Bayern goal kick.
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In that scenario it would be Arteta and the Arsenal fans who would be up in arms.
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Either way, any fan of any team would be far less infuriated at missing out on such a penalty than conceding one.
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They would be infuriated at missing out because they would see a reason it should be awarded.

However, out of interest, where would the infuriation from conceding such a penalty be directed at ?

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No normal ref would have awarded a penalty in those
circumstances, and the ref was absolutely right, that was a good decision. The only people moaning about it are the desperate Tuchel and his crew. If you don't like the decision that's tough.
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You just said any fan of any team would be infuriated at missing out on such a penalty and we know Arteta like most managers would have reacted the same as Tuchel

Personally it's a decision, if given, there's not a whole lot you could argue against
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I never said that, don't misquote me. I clearly said ANY FAN OF ANY TEAM WOULD BE FAR LESS INFURIATED AT MISSING OUT ON SUCH A PENALTY THAN CONCEDING ONE. You obviously don't seem to understand what that means.
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But they would be INFURIATED no matter how you would measure it
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You cannot ignore the comparison with conceding such a penalty because that is my point.

comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
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comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
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comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
But I'd be surprised if he'd criticised the referee's failure to award a penalty had the same sequence of events played out from a Bayern goal kick.
_______

In that scenario it would be Arteta and the Arsenal fans who would be up in arms.
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Either way, any fan of any team would be far less infuriated at missing out on such a penalty than conceding one.
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They would be infuriated at missing out because they would see a reason it should be awarded.

However, out of interest, where would the infuriation from conceding such a penalty be directed at ?

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No normal ref would have awarded a penalty in those
circumstances, and the ref was absolutely right, that was a good decision. The only people moaning about it are the desperate Tuchel and his crew. If you don't like the decision that's tough.
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You just said any fan of any team would be infuriated at missing out on such a penalty and we know Arteta like most managers would have reacted the same as Tuchel

Personally it's a decision, if given, there's not a whole lot you could argue against
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I never said that, don't misquote me. I clearly said ANY FAN OF ANY TEAM WOULD BE FAR LESS INFURIATED AT MISSING OUT ON SUCH A PENALTY THAN CONCEDING ONE. You obviously don't seem to understand what that means.
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But they would be INFURIATED no matter how you would measure it
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You cannot ignore the comparison with conceding such a penalty because that is my point.
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There's still grounds for anger/fury for the manager and fans of the team that missed out on the penalty decision or not ?

You used the words less infuriated

comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
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comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
But I'd be surprised if he'd criticised the referee's failure to award a penalty had the same sequence of events played out from a Bayern goal kick.
_______

In that scenario it would be Arteta and the Arsenal fans who would be up in arms.
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Either way, any fan of any team would be far less infuriated at missing out on such a penalty than conceding one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would be infuriated at missing out because they would see a reason it should be awarded.

However, out of interest, where would the infuriation from conceding such a penalty be directed at ?

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No normal ref would have awarded a penalty in those
circumstances, and the ref was absolutely right, that was a good decision. The only people moaning about it are the desperate Tuchel and his crew. If you don't like the decision that's tough.
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You just said any fan of any team would be infuriated at missing out on such a penalty and we know Arteta like most managers would have reacted the same as Tuchel

Personally it's a decision, if given, there's not a whole lot you could argue against
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I never said that, don't misquote me. I clearly said ANY FAN OF ANY TEAM WOULD BE FAR LESS INFURIATED AT MISSING OUT ON SUCH A PENALTY THAN CONCEDING ONE. You obviously don't seem to understand what that means.
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But they would be INFURIATED no matter how you would measure it
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You cannot ignore the comparison with conceding such a penalty because that is my point.
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There's still grounds for anger/fury for the manager and fans of the team that missed out on the penalty decision or not ?

You used the words less infuriated
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It's the English language mate. I could also say any fan would have been HAPPIER missing out on the penalty than conceding one, and that would have meant exactly the same thing.

comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
But I'd be surprised if he'd criticised the referee's failure to award a penalty had the same sequence of events played out from a Bayern goal kick.
_______

In that scenario it would be Arteta and the Arsenal fans who would be up in arms.
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Either way, any fan of any team would be far less infuriated at missing out on such a penalty than conceding one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would be infuriated at missing out because they would see a reason it should be awarded.

However, out of interest, where would the infuriation from conceding such a penalty be directed at ?

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No normal ref would have awarded a penalty in those
circumstances, and the ref was absolutely right, that was a good decision. The only people moaning about it are the desperate Tuchel and his crew. If you don't like the decision that's tough.
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You just said any fan of any team would be infuriated at missing out on such a penalty and we know Arteta like most managers would have reacted the same as Tuchel

Personally it's a decision, if given, there's not a whole lot you could argue against
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I never said that, don't misquote me. I clearly said ANY FAN OF ANY TEAM WOULD BE FAR LESS INFURIATED AT MISSING OUT ON SUCH A PENALTY THAN CONCEDING ONE. You obviously don't seem to understand what that means.
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But they would be INFURIATED no matter how you would measure it
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You cannot ignore the comparison with conceding such a penalty because that is my point.
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There's still grounds for anger/fury for the manager and fans of the team that missed out on the penalty decision or not ?

You used the words less infuriated
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It's the English language mate. I could also say any fan would have been HAPPIER missing out on the penalty than conceding one, and that would have meant exactly the same thing.
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You could say that but it would be completely different to what you said originally




We are straying into RDDesque logic and argument so I will leave you to it pal

comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
But I'd be surprised if he'd criticised the referee's failure to award a penalty had the same sequence of events played out from a Bayern goal kick.
_______

In that scenario it would be Arteta and the Arsenal fans who would be up in arms.
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Either way, any fan of any team would be far less infuriated at missing out on such a penalty than conceding one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would be infuriated at missing out because they would see a reason it should be awarded.

However, out of interest, where would the infuriation from conceding such a penalty be directed at ?

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No normal ref would have awarded a penalty in those
circumstances, and the ref was absolutely right, that was a good decision. The only people moaning about it are the desperate Tuchel and his crew. If you don't like the decision that's tough.
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You just said any fan of any team would be infuriated at missing out on such a penalty and we know Arteta like most managers would have reacted the same as Tuchel

Personally it's a decision, if given, there's not a whole lot you could argue against
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I never said that, don't misquote me. I clearly said ANY FAN OF ANY TEAM WOULD BE FAR LESS INFURIATED AT MISSING OUT ON SUCH A PENALTY THAN CONCEDING ONE. You obviously don't seem to understand what that means.
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But they would be INFURIATED no matter how you would measure it
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You cannot ignore the comparison with conceding such a penalty because that is my point.
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There's still grounds for anger/fury for the manager and fans of the team that missed out on the penalty decision or not ?

You used the words less infuriated
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It's the English language mate. I could also say any fan would have been HAPPIER missing out on the penalty than conceding one, and that would have meant exactly the same thing.
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You could say that but it would be completely different to what you said originally




We are straying into RDDesque logic and argument so I will leave you to it pal
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Get Winston in...its right in his wheelhouse

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago

Agree with this but just to clarify, whether he blew his whistle or not is irrelevant as it’s not needed for a goal kick. The restart of play is when the keeper (or anyone) kicks a stationary ball from inside the six yard box.

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So maybe it's the idea Daz floated elsewhere: that he didn't award it because he felt he'd caused the confusion himself by blowing the whistle.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago

Agree with this but just to clarify, whether he blew his whistle or not is irrelevant as it’s not needed for a goal kick. The restart of play is when the keeper (or anyone) kicks a stationary ball from inside the six yard box.

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So maybe it's the idea Daz floated elsewhere: that he didn't award it because he felt he'd caused the confusion himself by blowing the whistle.
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I think he probably did and just restarted play 'in the spirit of the game'

'5.2
Decisions of the referee
Decisions will be made to the best of the referee’s ability according to the Laws of the Game and the ‘spirit of the game’ and will be based on the opinion of the referee, who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the framework of the Laws of the Game.'

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago

Agree with this but just to clarify, whether he blew his whistle or not is irrelevant as it’s not needed for a goal kick. The restart of play is when the keeper (or anyone) kicks a stationary ball from inside the six yard box.

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So maybe it's the idea Daz floated elsewhere: that he didn't award it because he felt he'd caused the confusion himself by blowing the whistle.
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I think he probably did and just restarted play 'in the spirit of the game'

'5.2
Decisions of the referee
Decisions will be made to the best of the referee’s ability according to the Laws of the Game and the ‘spirit of the game’ and will be based on the opinion of the referee, who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the framework of the Laws of the Game.'
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Thanks for posting. That very same article also says:

"The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the field of play or abandoned the match."

Clearly, the game had restarted. According to the same rule you quoted, he mustn't change a restart decision.

On the advice of another match official though?

The way I read it was that that rule was made for VAR so they couldn't be pulling things back when play had restarted, not for things like this.