Scrapping VAR

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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
VAR is crap in its current iteration but I'm pretty sure the stats do actually back up that we have more correct decisions since it was introduced (believe it or not).

With or without VAR, there's going to be crap ref performances and decisions with a ton of post match analysis focusing on them, so we might as well stick with the system that gets more right.
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I wonder if that would still be the case if you take away offsides though. If the semi automated offside tech is successful it will mostly be used for annoying, subjective calls.
If the offsides are taken out of the equation, and the bar for interesting is much higher, I think it will probably survive

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 11 hours, 46 minutes ago
To be honest by my calculations we have been denied way over 100 clear factual penalties since VAR was introduced and they never gave it. I think it is now actually close to 150.
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Excellent post.

Personally I would like to see Hafi installed as head of VAR

I don't think you would.

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 12 hours, 19 minutes ago
I think since VAR being introduced Man Utd have been completely destroyed by wrong decisions by VAR. There has been at least over 500 wrong calls against Man Utd in total. I actually think referees are actually instructed to cheat Man Utd now. That is how blatant it is.
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Hafi, any substantiation for these numbers, or are they just educated estimates? They seem a little bit on the high side. Are you including throw-ins, corners and the likes, or just game-changers like red cards, penalties, offsides, etc?

There is no VAR problem. There is only a problem with officials to use it properly,

There's also a problem with fans seeing only what they want to see. We all apply our own selective biases, so simply by brushing aside any decisions that go your way or seeing an disproportionately large number of them as being just and fair, as opposed to the ones that go against, then you're much more likely to see conspiracies if you're that way inclined.

The problem is not so much with VAR but with the rules and their interpretation in relation to handball and offside. With handball they sought to make a subjective decision - "deliberate" - objective, and ended up awading loads of incredibly soft pens. With offside I'd love to know the accuracy with which the lines can be drawn. Lots of goals chalked off for nanometre offsides which would have been given as level and on before VAR came along.

comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 15 hours, 36 minutes ago
It's not that VAR has denied you any penalties, it's just that you would've have had over 150 dodgy penalty decisions go your way if VAR wasn't around. I understand the confusion, it must be weird for United fans used to getting all those decisions back in the glory days.
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This is funny because it's at least partially true (Fergie time is a clear example), Ferguson bullied referees but that doesn't work anymore - a referee has to be as honest as they can be now because if they give the rub of the green to a big club & then it gets reversed by VAR it makes them look really bad.

I am not suggesting match-fixing was rife or that it stil could not happen but it certainly makes it much more complex for a referee to be bought off with VAR & fix a game - that has to be a good thing.