Morning All
Decent enough season for Spurs. If nothing else it was worth watching, so that's a step in the right direction.
Point of this thread was that has football become a bit boring and with the shambles that is VAR is it also a lot worse fan experience than it used to be.
I know FFP is trying to level the playing field, and this is an argument that's gonna rumble on for forever, but I can't help thinking our game is screaming out for salary cap and getting rid of VAR.
Couple of points
CITY.... Sure 4 straight titles is impressive but It required a nation state to do it and the cloud of financial doping wont go away.
RELEGATION...... Same three down that came up, will next season be any different.... doubtful... so what's the point.
BIG SPENDERS.... With the exception of United, all the expected players in the usual places (lets not forget Villa's owners are some of the wealthiest in the PL despite Emry doing a brilliant job.
VAR..... Don't need to say anything..... ruining the game... Should be for clear and obvious or don't bother.
GOALS..... I know this year has seen a record number of goals and the fewest number of 0-0s but I can't honestly say I've really enjoyed watching that many games this year.
SALARY CAP...... I know admitting I live in the US leaves me open for pi55 taking but watching the post season here Esp in the NBA/ NHL this month and seeing the number of new teams on the scene (as a result of the draft and salary cap) is so much more interesting than watching the PL where you can guess the winners 95% of the time. I know you could liken the KC Chiefs to City but their excellence is put in context with a fairer playing field to what we have in Prem.
This isn't a "i hate football rant" but the game feels in a bad place to me... If ever there was time for some meaningful change to the game.. Its now
Thoughts ?
Is Football Boring / Time for changes ?
posted on 20/5/24
Time for change?
Absolutely.
Levy out.
posted on 20/5/24
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
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comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
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comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
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Anyone who has any business acumen and financial knowledge knows it is totally unsustainable if you are spending 75% of your turnover on wages.
Most companies operate on a wages to turnover % somewhere in the 30-40’s %.
If a company spends 75% of its turnover in the commercial market place there is a very strong likelihood they would be heading for insolvency and administration.
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For the 2022/23 season, 10 clubs had a ratio of 75% or more and 10 clubs were under. Football is an anomaly due to the different revenue streams and TV money.
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Yes but they are living on borrowed time, half the clubs in the PL would be in dire straits if it wasn’t for Sky etc. Plus the extravagant fees now demanded for in most cases players who are average at best and the Agents who garner vasts commissions for doing the bare minimum work.
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You say borrowed time the last TV deal agreed is worth a record £6.7B which starts from the 25/26 season.
The current deal is worth £5.1B.
It is growing deal by deal. With social media booming it feels like the demand for the game will keep on growing which kind of negates your borrowed time theory.
PSR and FFP rules will also stop clubs from going broke in future.
posted on 20/5/24
No, football isn't boring. Just Manchester City.
I think this is the first time since the 90s that the three promoted sides went straight back down.
posted on 20/5/24
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
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Anything like FFP or its up and coming replacement only works if it is actually fair for all the teams involved.
Any muted changes currently only appear benefit the very teams they are trying to reign in. If said rich clubs revenue is £500m and say Luton's is £100m how can any calculated formula make it fair. The smaller club basically has no chance to ever compete unless they get lucky with a great crop of players for a season who will get picked off anyway.
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I once heard Gary Neville say that spending should be capped for all clubs at a ceiling that matches the highest earning club at that time. If that's United, and Luton were to get a wealthy owner in, he'd be able to put his own money in to match United's earnings. It allows teams to dream without losing that competitiveness. As it stands, I'm not sure it's fair. It just keeps the status quo.
Let's be real here. FFP, even when it was first mooted as an idea, was designed, not to help the smaller clubs close the gap, but to stop teams like Chelsea, PSG and City from disrupting the traditional elite. The fact they've dressed this up as an act of honour is frankly astonishing.
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Indeed. I guess all the smaller less wealthy clubs can do is dream.
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The absolute worst thing was a club naturally progressing through hard work, top recruitment and market savvy, only for another club that had been a bungling mess for years to win the owner lottery and suddenly leapfrog them overnight through nothing but luck.
Brighton were pushing on and started outdoing Newcastle, only for Newcastle to win the lottery and effectively replace them overnight - it’s bollox and unfair. Fortunately, Newcastle are capped and maybe forced to sell this summer, but I think I would have given up on football if there owners suddenly bankrolled them to title after title within a few years. At least they will have to build up naturally from here
posted on 20/5/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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Pep, not Pepe
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Saw that 😹
As it was a great post I fought the urge to mention it
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I had to correct it. I can't bear the idea that someone either thinks I've spelt it wrong or believe that a Portuguese centre half is behind City's dominance.
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Especially with Pepe likely to sign a 6 year contract with United this Summer.
posted on 20/5/24
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
Anyone who has any business acumen and financial knowledge knows it is totally unsustainable if you are spending 75% of your turnover on wages.
Most companies operate on a wages to turnover % somewhere in the 30-40’s %.
If a company spends 75% of its turnover in the commercial market place there is a very strong likelihood they would be heading for insolvency and administration.
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Idiotic comment. You can’t compare the wages of footballers to the wages at a normal company ffs. Of course it’s drastically different.
posted on 20/5/24
comment by Striketeam7 - Laughing at Arsenals nearly slaa... (U18109)
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comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
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Just read this in the Gurdian..... Kinda sums up what Im getting at........
The PL.......It’s not been a great year for Brand Premier League, the supposed best league in the world, where just about everyone is perpetually angry or miserable. Who’s happy? Manchester City, of course. Villa, sure. But elsewhere? Liverpool rage about kick-off times. Wolves are furious about VAR. Forest are mad about that too but also about their PSR-induced points deduction. Everton see your points deduction and raise you a takeover saga that has rumbled on without resolution. Sheffield United have had a season so dismal that they may never want to get promoted again. On it goes, the whole thing infused with a sense of dissatisfaction, as clubs grasp for direction (Chelsea, Manchester United) or bump their heads against the glass ceiling and wonder what the point of it all is (Brighton, Bournemouth, Fulham). And everyone is paying more (soon to be even more) for a reduced spectacle, dulled by the dread hand of VAR. Speaking of which, on a governance level, things have been even more lamentable: the ongoing row with the EFL over a financial settlement, the opposition to the football regulator, the scrapping of FA Cup replays … at every turn the Premier League leaned towards favouring the few over the many. Which is, of course, the whole idea. It’s not that the mask has slipped (let’s be honest, what mask?) and this season it has felt at times like we’re approaching a watershed, the moment where the naked avarice just becomes a bit too much.
PROMOTED TEAMS........Major caveats apply here. The gap between the Championship and the top flight feels ever wider and the cash injection required just to compete is increasingly ludicrous. For the most part, it’s not Burnley’s, Sheffield United’s or Luton’s fault. But still, it’s the first time since 1997-98 that all three promoted sides have been immediately relegated and, more than that, it’s never really been in doubt.
Burnley, who came in on the back of a 101-point title win with eyes on mid-table safety, quickly slipped into the relegation zone and never got back out. Sheffield United sold their best players, hit the bottom in mid-September and stayed there – save for a couple of weeks at the dizzying heights of 18th when Everton’s points deduction kicked in. The Blades racked up a Premier League record of 104 goals conceded: the worst defensive record in the English top flight since Ipswich in 1963-64.
Luton perhaps deserve to sit separately from their yo-yoing peers – at least they threatened at times to buck expectations – but they were still in the bottom three for two-thirds of the season. In truth, Everton and Forest should be grateful: they could not have chosen a better season to pick up their points deductions.
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There’s always things to pick at. FFP is a step in the right direction but people have to be patient.
One change I would like to see is the scrapping of Friday and Monday night games. They are pure shiete and it diminishes the product for me. Keep it all to Saturdays and Sundays and stagger the kick off times. Televised Prem games at 12, 3, 530, 8 on a Saturday and 12, 2, 430 on a Sunday - would even entertain a Sunday night kick off. Just stop playing on Monday and Friday nights, it sucks
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Like all your points but var in the pl is like giving a baby a machete. They can't handle it.
Didn't notice it gone in the championship this season but saw some astounding decisions in the pl that make me think it's not worth all the down side events that it causes.
posted on 20/5/24
Humans will always need to make the decisions on fould / penalty appeals, but stuff that involves lines should be decided by computers that make a decision with 99.9% accuracy in 0.01 seconds.
Assistant refs drawing imaginary lines in some studio is embarrassing for the biggest sport in the world
posted on 20/5/24
Fouls**
posted on 20/5/24
I'd like to think 20 years from now refs will simply have an ear piece on that beeps as soon as the ball goes offside, over the goal line, out for a throw in, goal kick, corner etc. It should be as simple as that. No humans making that beep, a computer does it all for him or her. Offside controversies become a thing of the past
Then all we'll have to whine about is whether or not something is a foul. Which I'd like to think an assistant watching a reply will be trained & experienced well enough to use video replays to make a decision in 10 seconds of the on field ref can't quite decide