Kobbie Mainoo

wharton > poono

Wharton is a far better player than Mainoo. Should be ahead of him imo.

I think the big difference between the 2 is that while Wharton has been playing first team football for quite a bit longer and has been excellent for Palace. Mainoo has really shone in the big games and come into a huge side who are a bit of a mess in midfield which maybe shows that he is better suited to the pressures of an International tournament?

I'd say they're probably both a little too inexperienced at the highest level and ideally need a bit more time but they also possess qualities that we lack from others in the squad.

Wouldn't say either is far better than the other considering they've played so little football at a high level.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 33 seconds ago
Mainoo loses the ball for United occasionally in postions like TAA did for England yesterday.
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All midfielders do, that’s kind of my point. I guess I just feel there would be a better balance with a proper CM in there, doesn’t need to be Mainoo.
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There would be but there aren’t really any. Trent, Mainoo and Wharton are what we have to choose from.

Trent would look a lot better with some actual movement in front of him.

Trent isn't a CM. Playing right back and having the freedom to step into CM occasionally isn't the same thing.

I have always thought he's massively overrated personally and before people say that's because I'm a Utd fan and hate Liverpool (which I of course do) I don't think this about other Liverpool players such as Salah.

Trent has a good passing range but he's got so many weaknesses to his game. I'm not actually sure what he is anymore. Definitely better as an attacking right back than CM though.

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
Trent isn't a CM. Playing right back and having the freedom to step into CM occasionally isn't the same thing.

I have always thought he's massively overrated personally and before people say that's because I'm a Utd fan and hate Liverpool (which I of course do) I don't think this about other Liverpool players such as Salah.

Trent has a good passing range but he's got so many weaknesses to his game. I'm not actually sure what he is anymore. Definitely better as an attacking right back than CM though.
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I think he'll play midfield for Liverpool going forward also. It's not a thing that TAA isn't a midfielder. He's been a midfielder his whole life. For a Klopp system it worked well with him at right back as he liked three energetic midfielders in the middle and full backs almost playing as wingers but I don't see us playing that way under a different manager.

Obviously he needs more experience in there but the other two options aren't experienced either and neither are anywhere near TAA in terms of making things happen, which is what he's in there for. I expect the other two options will play next to Rice against the top sides should England go deeper but I'd be surprised if they start in the next game.

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
Trent isn't a CM. Playing right back and having the freedom to step into CM occasionally isn't the same thing.

I have always thought he's massively overrated personally and before people say that's because I'm a Utd fan and hate Liverpool (which I of course do) I don't think this about other Liverpool players such as Salah.

Trent has a good passing range but he's got so many weaknesses to his game. I'm not actually sure what he is anymore. Definitely better as an attacking right back than CM though.
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Yeah so I’ve seen this written before, a lot, and I really don’t think you’ll find many that agree.

There’s an argument that he’s not a CM, but if we’re honest that’s not really based on much at all.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 33 seconds ago
Mainoo loses the ball for United occasionally in postions like TAA did for England yesterday.
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All midfielders do, that’s kind of my point. I guess I just feel there would be a better balance with a proper CM in there, doesn’t need to be Mainoo.
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There would be but there aren’t really any. Trent, Mainoo and Wharton are what we have to choose from.

Trent would look a lot better with some actual movement in front of him.
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Which is where the lack of width became an issue.

If we aren't going to play in a way to suit Trent then he shouldn't play. First half yesterday he looked okay, but a player who thrives in tight combination play would have been better suited.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 33 seconds ago
Mainoo loses the ball for United occasionally in postions like TAA did for England yesterday.
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All midfielders do, that’s kind of my point. I guess I just feel there would be a better balance with a proper CM in there, doesn’t need to be Mainoo.
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There would be but there aren’t really any. Trent, Mainoo and Wharton are what we have to choose from.

Trent would look a lot better with some actual movement in front of him.
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Which is where the lack of width became an issue.

If we aren't going to play in a way to suit Trent then he shouldn't play. First half yesterday he looked okay, but a player who thrives in tight combination play would have been better suited.
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Yep, agree Busby, which is why I was a bit bemused that he brought Gallagher on for Trent. Gallagher has his strengths, but none of them are to be found deep in CM.

If he’s taking Mainoo and Wharton, I’d like to see him use them. I feel Trent has been better from the bench at times too, he’s a great option if needed.

Trent is picked for his creativity but even as a fan, I do scratch my head at what Southgates done.
Trent playing with a striker like Kane upfront means he will only offer any real effect on the right. Kane isn't going to make crazy runs out wide or off the defenders shoulder so I don't know what he thinks trent is going to do. Trent needs to be high up the pitch cutting I'm from the left and crossing, or right side. Picking him cdm I don't see how that's gonna work.
Trent is def one of the most creative players but it's like Southgate has put him where he can fit him, rather than where he would be most effective.
Shocking thing is failure will mean trents the scapegoat, and not Southgate for basically setting him up to fail.