I know you all love this......

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 36 minutes ago
Europa first.
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Indeed, and I am really looking forward to it.

Still expect 6 or 7 changes to the team we are a joy to watch a lot of the time so am looking forward to my next hit.

comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 4 hours, 22 minutes ago
I like this theory... We beat palace at Selhurst last year so therefore we'll win Sunday...... Great... No stress !.. Thanks Devon
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Should be beating Palace on form. In fact with Villa and Ipswich at home to follow, a real chance to climb in or near the top four. Hopefully lessons were learned from the Brighton match.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 10 hours, 20 minutes ago
The are greenshoots like Ange is adapting before dying.

As an example one of the midfielders Biss or Bentancur usually sit more than last season, set pieces the stats show we are better and taking Maddison off to shore up the balance in midfield (far too attacking) was intriguing having done nothing against Brighton and be tactically ouclasssed again.

That being said i watch us and there is nothing about us. I feel resigned to it, i feel a better coach gets better results. If you look across his reign there are more embarrasing losses than powerful wins.

As it stands we finish below Brighton/ Villa and there is not a chance that we win a cup with Ange. You do not win a cup with feast or famine football and you have to have tactical nouse which he does not sadly.
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You spout such rubbish, you really do.

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Why? I am just giving my honest opinion.

I do not quite see it, yes we are pleasing to the eye but we are lucky too Palace next a team that are completely downbeat at the minute. As were West Ham down on their luck too.

There is no control in our game which is why we will have the topsy turvey results and that will continue all season. We would also need leicester levels of luck to win a trophy under Ange.

As soon as we play a top six/eight side we lose. Newcastle, Brighton, Arsenal.

comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 10 hours, 20 minutes ago
The are greenshoots like Ange is adapting before dying.

As an example one of the midfielders Biss or Bentancur usually sit more than last season, set pieces the stats show we are better and taking Maddison off to shore up the balance in midfield (far too attacking) was intriguing having done nothing against Brighton and be tactically ouclasssed again.

That being said i watch us and there is nothing about us. I feel resigned to it, i feel a better coach gets better results. If you look across his reign there are more embarrasing losses than powerful wins.

As it stands we finish below Brighton/ Villa and there is not a chance that we win a cup with Ange. You do not win a cup with feast or famine football and you have to have tactical nouse which he does not sadly.
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You spout such rubbish, you really do.

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Why? I am just giving my honest opinion.

I do not quite see it, yes we are pleasing to the eye but we are lucky too Palace next a team that are completely downbeat at the minute. As were West Ham down on their luck too.

There is no control in our game which is why we will have the topsy turvey results and that will continue all season. We would also need leicester levels of luck to win a trophy under Ange.

As soon as we play a top six/eight side we lose. Newcastle, Brighton, Arsenal.
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Are not Man United considered a top eight side? West Ham were a season or two back. Brighton are hardly a club you would consider a regular top 6/8 club, after just one season in those positions. Winning at Old Trafford is still a big win, despite United's current form.

comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 8 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 10 hours, 20 minutes ago
The are greenshoots like Ange is adapting before dying.

As an example one of the midfielders Biss or Bentancur usually sit more than last season, set pieces the stats show we are better and taking Maddison off to shore up the balance in midfield (far too attacking) was intriguing having done nothing against Brighton and be tactically ouclasssed again.

That being said i watch us and there is nothing about us. I feel resigned to it, i feel a better coach gets better results. If you look across his reign there are more embarrasing losses than powerful wins.

As it stands we finish below Brighton/ Villa and there is not a chance that we win a cup with Ange. You do not win a cup with feast or famine football and you have to have tactical nouse which he does not sadly.
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You spout such rubbish, you really do.

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Why? I am just giving my honest opinion.

I do not quite see it, yes we are pleasing to the eye but we are lucky too Palace next a team that are completely downbeat at the minute. As were West Ham down on their luck too.

There is no control in our game which is why we will have the topsy turvey results and that will continue all season. We would also need leicester levels of luck to win a trophy under Ange.

As soon as we play a top six/eight side we lose. Newcastle, Brighton, Arsenal.
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Also Spurs did beat Newcastle 4-1 and Villa 4-0 in the past 12 months, so just saying they cannot beat the so called better sides is not actually true. They can, just not all the time.

comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 9 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 10 hours, 20 minutes ago
The are greenshoots like Ange is adapting before dying.

As an example one of the midfielders Biss or Bentancur usually sit more than last season, set pieces the stats show we are better and taking Maddison off to shore up the balance in midfield (far too attacking) was intriguing having done nothing against Brighton and be tactically ouclasssed again.

That being said i watch us and there is nothing about us. I feel resigned to it, i feel a better coach gets better results. If you look across his reign there are more embarrasing losses than powerful wins.

As it stands we finish below Brighton/ Villa and there is not a chance that we win a cup with Ange. You do not win a cup with feast or famine football and you have to have tactical nouse which he does not sadly.
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You spout such rubbish, you really do.

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Why? I am just giving my honest opinion.

I do not quite see it, yes we are pleasing to the eye but we are lucky too Palace next a team that are completely downbeat at the minute. As were West Ham down on their luck too.

There is no control in our game which is why we will have the topsy turvey results and that will continue all season. We would also need leicester levels of luck to win a trophy under Ange.

As soon as we play a top six/eight side we lose. Newcastle, Brighton, Arsenal.
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You seem to fall into the same trap as many others.

First, have an entrenched view on our tactics...too attacking, too aggressive, too high a line. And the you use this to knock us when we don't win....regardless of whether these perceived flaws impact on the defeat or not.

After 5 wins on the bounce, what cost us vs BHA was a lowering of our levels while BHA picked their up. There was nothing tactically wrong with how we were playing as it saw us dominate and go 2 up. The application and execution in the second half smacked of complacency and then when then we were backs tk the wall we were fairly spinless in how we dealt with it.

I can agree that at 2-2 Ange should have changed things right there, and may be his stubbornness got the better of him. His comments after, to me, sounded like he was saying that this is a lesson we had to learn the hard way.

Many forget we are early in our progress under Ange a work in progress with lessons we still need to learn. This is not unusual, especially when picking up from a mess of the previous 3 managers.

I am very willing to accept we are tactically flawed if people are able to match such a claim with actual moments on the pitch, where this flaw has contributed.

For me, a lot of the dropped points this season have come from errors not tactics.

Our approach is high risk high reward and the costs of being rhw leagues top scorers is that we will concede chances too. I can live with that but many seem unable to.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 9 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 10 hours, 20 minutes ago
The are greenshoots like Ange is adapting before dying.

As an example one of the midfielders Biss or Bentancur usually sit more than last season, set pieces the stats show we are better and taking Maddison off to shore up the balance in midfield (far too attacking) was intriguing having done nothing against Brighton and be tactically ouclasssed again.

That being said i watch us and there is nothing about us. I feel resigned to it, i feel a better coach gets better results. If you look across his reign there are more embarrasing losses than powerful wins.

As it stands we finish below Brighton/ Villa and there is not a chance that we win a cup with Ange. You do not win a cup with feast or famine football and you have to have tactical nouse which he does not sadly.
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You spout such rubbish, you really do.

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Why? I am just giving my honest opinion.

I do not quite see it, yes we are pleasing to the eye but we are lucky too Palace next a team that are completely downbeat at the minute. As were West Ham down on their luck too.

There is no control in our game which is why we will have the topsy turvey results and that will continue all season. We would also need leicester levels of luck to win a trophy under Ange.

As soon as we play a top six/eight side we lose. Newcastle, Brighton, Arsenal.
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You seem to fall into the same trap as many others.

First, have an entrenched view on our tactics...too attacking, too aggressive, too high a line. And the you use this to knock us when we don't win....regardless of whether these perceived flaws impact on the defeat or not.

After 5 wins on the bounce, what cost us vs BHA was a lowering of our levels while BHA picked their up. There was nothing tactically wrong with how we were playing as it saw us dominate and go 2 up. The application and execution in the second half smacked of complacency and then when then we were backs tk the wall we were fairly spinless in how we dealt with it.

I can agree that at 2-2 Ange should have changed things right there, and may be his stubbornness got the better of him. His comments after, to me, sounded like he was saying that this is a lesson we had to learn the hard way.

Many forget we are early in our progress under Ange a work in progress with lessons we still need to learn. This is not unusual, especially when picking up from a mess of the previous 3 managers.

I am very willing to accept we are tactically flawed if people are able to match such a claim with actual moments on the pitch, where this flaw has contributed.

For me, a lot of the dropped points this season have come from errors not tactics.

Our approach is high risk high reward and the costs of being rhw leagues top scorers is that we will concede chances too. I can live with that but many seem unable to.
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Agree, the three goals conceeded to Brighton were absolutely nothing to do with tactics. But 100 per cent down to just bad defending and silly errors. Most of the team were not all at the halfway line, when the three goals were conceeded, but they were in or around the penalty area. Just didn't defend well enough.

The Brighton result was absolutely down to tactics, plus poor (or should I say zero) in game management and mentality.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Brighton result was absolutely down to tactics, plus poor (or should I say zero) in game management and mentality.
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Explain yourself.

How did the tactics contribute to any of the goals?

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 9 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 10 hours, 20 minutes ago
The are greenshoots like Ange is adapting before dying.

As an example one of the midfielders Biss or Bentancur usually sit more than last season, set pieces the stats show we are better and taking Maddison off to shore up the balance in midfield (far too attacking) was intriguing having done nothing against Brighton and be tactically ouclasssed again.

That being said i watch us and there is nothing about us. I feel resigned to it, i feel a better coach gets better results. If you look across his reign there are more embarrasing losses than powerful wins.

As it stands we finish below Brighton/ Villa and there is not a chance that we win a cup with Ange. You do not win a cup with feast or famine football and you have to have tactical nouse which he does not sadly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You spout such rubbish, you really do.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why? I am just giving my honest opinion.

I do not quite see it, yes we are pleasing to the eye but we are lucky too Palace next a team that are completely downbeat at the minute. As were West Ham down on their luck too.

There is no control in our game which is why we will have the topsy turvey results and that will continue all season. We would also need leicester levels of luck to win a trophy under Ange.

As soon as we play a top six/eight side we lose. Newcastle, Brighton, Arsenal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You seem to fall into the same trap as many others.

First, have an entrenched view on our tactics...too attacking, too aggressive, too high a line. And the you use this to knock us when we don't win....regardless of whether these perceived flaws impact on the defeat or not.

After 5 wins on the bounce, what cost us vs BHA was a lowering of our levels while BHA picked their up. There was nothing tactically wrong with how we were playing as it saw us dominate and go 2 up. The application and execution in the second half smacked of complacency and then when then we were backs tk the wall we were fairly spinless in how we dealt with it.

I can agree that at 2-2 Ange should have changed things right there, and may be his stubbornness got the better of him. His comments after, to me, sounded like he was saying that this is a lesson we had to learn the hard way.

Many forget we are early in our progress under Ange a work in progress with lessons we still need to learn. This is not unusual, especially when picking up from a mess of the previous 3 managers.

I am very willing to accept we are tactically flawed if people are able to match such a claim with actual moments on the pitch, where this flaw has contributed.

For me, a lot of the dropped points this season have come from errors not tactics.

Our approach is high risk high reward and the costs of being rhw leagues top scorers is that we will concede chances too. I can live with that but many seem unable to.
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Agree, the three goals conceeded to Brighton were absolutely nothing to do with tactics. But 100 per cent down to just bad defending and silly errors. Most of the team were not all at the halfway line, when the three goals were conceeded, but they were in or around the penalty area. Just didn't defend well enough.
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What's interesting I think is that at 2-1 and as we came under mor pressure, we retreated. We did the exact thing that the likes of Conte would want us to do. Passive, uncompetitive, conceding of possession and territory. It's kinda was some tactical geniuses on here would advocate in hindsight....we should have gone defensive at half time and looked to defend what we had. The implication from this is that because we didnt, our open attacking tactics costs us. But as you rightly point out Sandy, none of them were a consequence of us being overly attacking or light at the back. In fact their winner saw us with all XI in or on the edge of the area, yet we still let them get to the byeline and leave the scorer unmarked in the middle.

If the tactics are, stand off them, let them get crosses in, mark space not players, don't track runners, then yes, our tactics are flawed. The fact is that our tactics are the very oppositive of that and the fact we played in that way in the second half demonstrates that it was the execution that was the issue.