I've been reading that, in the next 2 weeks, supporters from all Premier League clubs will be staging protests at the rising costs of attending matches. Apparently 19 out of the 20 have increased prices this season.
It's been my view for a long, long time now that some kind of salary cap should be imposed on all clubs and not just the top flight. It can be a simple solution, except for the greed of players and their agents. The top players in our club probably earn close to 85,000 a week. Players at City, United, Chelsea and others are close to 300,00 a week, some even more than that. That, in my opinion is insane and goes a long way into why clubs are charging fans more.
Some of us old farts may remember Jonny Haynes being the first player to earn 100 quid a week at Fulham.
Players these day do deserve more, there's no doubt about that, but surely the amounts paid to some are way over the top. Granted their playing career ends in their mid thirties and they need to secure their future, but it's the fans who attend games every week that are being shafted.
Money has destroyed the game we all enjoy and I doubt the protests in the coming weeks will do nothing to change the status quo. We've seen changes in the European matches this season, all done to generate more 'wonger'.
Off the soap box...
Upcoming protests
posted on 25/10/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 8 seconds ago
The root cause is the PL and UEFA demanding that a certain percentage of income must come from matchday revenue.
Not a problem for London clubs who charge £2-3k for a season ticket.
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United and Liverpool could charge those prices also and have no issues - it’s not a north south thing, those two clubs have loads of southern based fans anyway.
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Maybe United and Liverpool should be praised for not being greedy then.
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Maybe ?
I don’t really care, I’m not paying £2-£3k for a season ticket. I reckon me and my boy can afford about 10 games a season. My younger son will join us in a couple of years and I reckon it will drop to about 6 games - depending on how many paper rounds they can manage before school
posted on 25/10/24
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 minutes ago
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posted 57 minutes ago
At Spurs demand vastly outweighs supply. I’ve not been able to get 2 seats together for the last 5 home games that have gone on sale.
The games become global and the demand is insane post Covid - we can sell out Ipswich at home on a Sunday at £60 plus a ticket.
If they reduce prices then the demand will just be even higher - I don’t know what the answer is and I don’t want fellow fans priced out.
Money has destroyed the game - has it? Genuinely? It’s changed it for sure, but it’s more popular than ever and more profitable than ever.
The real story is Skys numbers dwindling - but that’s easily explained by a huge rise in illegal streams. Again I blame Sky for taking the pizz with their prices - difference is there are alternatives
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Its not just sky though.
The EU made them split up the TV rights so now if you want to watch everything that Sky offered before, you have to have TNT (£30 a month) and also Amazon Prime (£95 a year).
I think with most clubs, and its certainly the case for Spurs, prices havent really move in the last 4 or 5 years. This is Spurs first rise since moving into the new place at the end of 2019 season. 6% is reasonable in these circumstances, and if you compare to Arsenal i believe they also increased theirs last season too, so have had between 8-12% increases over 2 season....it only seems to be Spurs who make the news though!
It is sadly a fact of life that most things are silly expensive now, whether that's a pint of beer, a meal out or watching a PL team.
I would suggest all these other things have gone up in price far less than football tickets in recent times
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Yep everything goes up except away tickets - the most gold dust of things in football and the silly twunts put a £30 limit on them.
Now if I want to go to an away game I need pay a huge premium because the people with enough loyalty points at the beginning have a nice little business of buying the tickets for £30 and selling at £100 plus - or if it’s Bournemouth away it’s £300.
To take my eldest to an away game, I ether pay a huge premium or sit in the home stand.
The ticketing sites have tickets in the Palace end going for £40 this weekend, it’s £200 if you want to sit in the Tottenham section though.
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It costs me about £40-50 to just get to a game, depending on the mode - Train & Tube is about the same as Car & parking, and the latter is the only option if taking my 2 sons.
So Fulham at home £60 ticket, £50 Travel = £110.
Fulham fans - £5 Travelcard, £30 ticket = £35
The travel is my choice so fair enough, but to have a ticket at half the cost of mine is galling.
It penalises London clubs. We have WHU, Palace Fulham, Chelsea, Arsenal, Brentford. So about 1/3 of the games are away fans who live in the same city. There's no way they deserve a £30 away ticket. They should be the same price as the cheapest home ticket.
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Considering most of London clubs fans have the least distance to travel, and therefore the least expense, I don't see how it's unfair on London clubs at all.
https://www.cinch.co.uk/news/which-premier-league-fans-drive-the-furthest
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He is saying it’s unfair on the home fans. The NLD you can have 2 blokes from the same street going with one paying £80 and the other £30 all because of the away ticket cap.
Due to the number of London clubs this scenario can occur again and again and again.
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Again, I don't see how it's unfair because the reverse fixture will benefit the other fan. I'm not trying to goad you, I just don't see where the unfairness comes into it.
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It’s unfair as his chances of going to the reverse fixture are about the same as mine are to turning out for the Harlem Globetrotters - so he only ever pays the inflated price
posted on 25/10/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - You hit us, We hit you. (U1282)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
The root cause is the PL and UEFA demanding that a certain percentage of income must come from matchday revenue.
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Link?
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He is talking about PSR more or less
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It was originally 30%, may still be.
The rest was a mixture of sponsorship and TV money. It only really favoured clubs with stadium capacity over 50,000 or outrageous season ticket prices.
It might explain the recent glut in new stadia being built or expanding existing ones.
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It’s one of them annoying things where everyone has to be treated the same - which is bananas because not everyone is the same.
Southampton struggle to sell out their away ends despite the £30 cap whereas the likes of the top 6 could sell them out 20 times over at twice the price.
Then you have actual capacities - Spurs provide 3,000 away tickets, Bournemouth on the other hand have a ground more or less the same size as my garden shed so give 800 tickets - therefore the demand is insane - so again why limit it to £30.
All that happens with the big clubs is that the same fans get away tickets over and over again - now some genuinely want to go to every game and put the time effort and money in - I have no problem with that. Others have turned it into a business and sell the tickets on at multiple their value - which I faaaacking hate. The rise in this was as soon as the £30 cap came in, before that I could get tickets to about 5 or 6 away fixtures a season, usually the northern outposts and the midlands games - now they are liking rocking horse shiete unless I want to shell out £200
posted on 25/10/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 57 minutes ago
At Spurs demand vastly outweighs supply. I’ve not been able to get 2 seats together for the last 5 home games that have gone on sale.
The games become global and the demand is insane post Covid - we can sell out Ipswich at home on a Sunday at £60 plus a ticket.
If they reduce prices then the demand will just be even higher - I don’t know what the answer is and I don’t want fellow fans priced out.
Money has destroyed the game - has it? Genuinely? It’s changed it for sure, but it’s more popular than ever and more profitable than ever.
The real story is Skys numbers dwindling - but that’s easily explained by a huge rise in illegal streams. Again I blame Sky for taking the pizz with their prices - difference is there are alternatives
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Its not just sky though.
The EU made them split up the TV rights so now if you want to watch everything that Sky offered before, you have to have TNT (£30 a month) and also Amazon Prime (£95 a year).
I think with most clubs, and its certainly the case for Spurs, prices havent really move in the last 4 or 5 years. This is Spurs first rise since moving into the new place at the end of 2019 season. 6% is reasonable in these circumstances, and if you compare to Arsenal i believe they also increased theirs last season too, so have had between 8-12% increases over 2 season....it only seems to be Spurs who make the news though!
It is sadly a fact of life that most things are silly expensive now, whether that's a pint of beer, a meal out or watching a PL team.
I would suggest all these other things have gone up in price far less than football tickets in recent times
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Yep everything goes up except away tickets - the most gold dust of things in football and the silly twunts put a £30 limit on them.
Now if I want to go to an away game I need pay a huge premium because the people with enough loyalty points at the beginning have a nice little business of buying the tickets for £30 and selling at £100 plus - or if it’s Bournemouth away it’s £300.
To take my eldest to an away game, I ether pay a huge premium or sit in the home stand.
The ticketing sites have tickets in the Palace end going for £40 this weekend, it’s £200 if you want to sit in the Tottenham section though.
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It costs me about £40-50 to just get to a game, depending on the mode - Train & Tube is about the same as Car & parking, and the latter is the only option if taking my 2 sons.
So Fulham at home £60 ticket, £50 Travel = £110.
Fulham fans - £5 Travelcard, £30 ticket = £35
The travel is my choice so fair enough, but to have a ticket at half the cost of mine is galling.
It penalises London clubs. We have WHU, Palace Fulham, Chelsea, Arsenal, Brentford. So about 1/3 of the games are away fans who live in the same city. There's no way they deserve a £30 away ticket. They should be the same price as the cheapest home ticket.
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Considering most of London clubs fans have the least distance to travel, and therefore the least expense, I don't see how it's unfair on London clubs at all.
https://www.cinch.co.uk/news/which-premier-league-fans-drive-the-furthest
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He is saying it’s unfair on the home fans. The NLD you can have 2 blokes from the same street going with one paying £80 and the other £30 all because of the away ticket cap.
Due to the number of London clubs this scenario can occur again and again and again.
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Again, I don't see how it's unfair because the reverse fixture will benefit the other fan. I'm not trying to goad you, I just don't see where the unfairness comes into it.
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It’s unfair as his chances of going to the reverse fixture are about the same as mine are to turning out for the Harlem Globetrotters - so he only ever pays the inflated price
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Got you, would increasing away ticket improve your chances of getting one? Or would you advocate for a different way to allocate away tickets. The thing is, clubs would have to give a sh!t for this to happen.
posted on 25/10/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - You hit us, We hit you. (U1282)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
The root cause is the PL and UEFA demanding that a certain percentage of income must come from matchday revenue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Link?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He is talking about PSR more or less
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was originally 30%, may still be.
The rest was a mixture of sponsorship and TV money. It only really favoured clubs with stadium capacity over 50,000 or outrageous season ticket prices.
It might explain the recent glut in new stadia being built or expanding existing ones.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s one of them annoying things where everyone has to be treated the same - which is bananas because not everyone is the same.
Southampton struggle to sell out their away ends despite the £30 cap whereas the likes of the top 6 could sell them out 20 times over at twice the price.
Then you have actual capacities - Spurs provide 3,000 away tickets, Bournemouth on the other hand have a ground more or less the same size as my garden shed so give 800 tickets - therefore the demand is insane - so again why limit it to £30.
All that happens with the big clubs is that the same fans get away tickets over and over again - now some genuinely want to go to every game and put the time effort and money in - I have no problem with that. Others have turned it into a business and sell the tickets on at multiple their value - which I faaaacking hate. The rise in this was as soon as the £30 cap came in, before that I could get tickets to about 5 or 6 away fixtures a season, usually the northern outposts and the midlands games - now they are liking rocking horse shiete unless I want to shell out £200
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So you'd rather be ripped off by the club than a "fan" touting his ticket ??
Actually I do get your point, crazy that a few years ago I could easily get tickets to see us play at Crewe, MK or Crawley, yet a bunch of tw@ts that wouldn't have been seen dead in those places are stopping me from going to an occasional away games.
posted on 25/10/24
Going back to the weekends protests, I've just read that Man United are the only supporters not joining in.
Obviously happy with how things stand.
posted on 25/10/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Going back to the weekends protests, I've just read that Man United are the only supporters not joining in.
Obviously happy with how things stand.
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99% of our fans don't go to matches. Why would we care about ticket prices? Good quality streams are far higher up our priority list.
posted on 25/10/24
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 57 minutes ago
At Spurs demand vastly outweighs supply. I’ve not been able to get 2 seats together for the last 5 home games that have gone on sale.
The games become global and the demand is insane post Covid - we can sell out Ipswich at home on a Sunday at £60 plus a ticket.
If they reduce prices then the demand will just be even higher - I don’t know what the answer is and I don’t want fellow fans priced out.
Money has destroyed the game - has it? Genuinely? It’s changed it for sure, but it’s more popular than ever and more profitable than ever.
The real story is Skys numbers dwindling - but that’s easily explained by a huge rise in illegal streams. Again I blame Sky for taking the pizz with their prices - difference is there are alternatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its not just sky though.
The EU made them split up the TV rights so now if you want to watch everything that Sky offered before, you have to have TNT (£30 a month) and also Amazon Prime (£95 a year).
I think with most clubs, and its certainly the case for Spurs, prices havent really move in the last 4 or 5 years. This is Spurs first rise since moving into the new place at the end of 2019 season. 6% is reasonable in these circumstances, and if you compare to Arsenal i believe they also increased theirs last season too, so have had between 8-12% increases over 2 season....it only seems to be Spurs who make the news though!
It is sadly a fact of life that most things are silly expensive now, whether that's a pint of beer, a meal out or watching a PL team.
I would suggest all these other things have gone up in price far less than football tickets in recent times
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep everything goes up except away tickets - the most gold dust of things in football and the silly twunts put a £30 limit on them.
Now if I want to go to an away game I need pay a huge premium because the people with enough loyalty points at the beginning have a nice little business of buying the tickets for £30 and selling at £100 plus - or if it’s Bournemouth away it’s £300.
To take my eldest to an away game, I ether pay a huge premium or sit in the home stand.
The ticketing sites have tickets in the Palace end going for £40 this weekend, it’s £200 if you want to sit in the Tottenham section though.
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It costs me about £40-50 to just get to a game, depending on the mode - Train & Tube is about the same as Car & parking, and the latter is the only option if taking my 2 sons.
So Fulham at home £60 ticket, £50 Travel = £110.
Fulham fans - £5 Travelcard, £30 ticket = £35
The travel is my choice so fair enough, but to have a ticket at half the cost of mine is galling.
It penalises London clubs. We have WHU, Palace Fulham, Chelsea, Arsenal, Brentford. So about 1/3 of the games are away fans who live in the same city. There's no way they deserve a £30 away ticket. They should be the same price as the cheapest home ticket.
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Considering most of London clubs fans have the least distance to travel, and therefore the least expense, I don't see how it's unfair on London clubs at all.
https://www.cinch.co.uk/news/which-premier-league-fans-drive-the-furthest
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He is saying it’s unfair on the home fans. The NLD you can have 2 blokes from the same street going with one paying £80 and the other £30 all because of the away ticket cap.
Due to the number of London clubs this scenario can occur again and again and again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, I don't see how it's unfair because the reverse fixture will benefit the other fan. I'm not trying to goad you, I just don't see where the unfairness comes into it.
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It’s unfair as his chances of going to the reverse fixture are about the same as mine are to turning out for the Harlem Globetrotters - so he only ever pays the inflated price
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Got you, would increasing away ticket improve your chances of getting one? Or would you advocate for a different way to allocate away tickets. The thing is, clubs would have to give a sh!t for this to happen.
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Would like to see a system where away tickets are split into 3 - 1 goes on loyalty points, another goes on ballot and the final one goes on dynamic pricing.
Would kill the touts, would give those with less financial resources and chance and would give everyone the chance to do at least 1 away game a season
posted on 25/10/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/462672
Travelling distances have been covered before.
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30% of City's away tickets are now allocated to u25s.
Is this a universal policy?
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no, but I think that is brilliant and I speak as an oldie
posted on 25/10/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 57 minutes ago
At Spurs demand vastly outweighs supply. I’ve not been able to get 2 seats together for the last 5 home games that have gone on sale.
The games become global and the demand is insane post Covid - we can sell out Ipswich at home on a Sunday at £60 plus a ticket.
If they reduce prices then the demand will just be even higher - I don’t know what the answer is and I don’t want fellow fans priced out.
Money has destroyed the game - has it? Genuinely? It’s changed it for sure, but it’s more popular than ever and more profitable than ever.
The real story is Skys numbers dwindling - but that’s easily explained by a huge rise in illegal streams. Again I blame Sky for taking the pizz with their prices - difference is there are alternatives
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Its not just sky though.
The EU made them split up the TV rights so now if you want to watch everything that Sky offered before, you have to have TNT (£30 a month) and also Amazon Prime (£95 a year).
I think with most clubs, and its certainly the case for Spurs, prices havent really move in the last 4 or 5 years. This is Spurs first rise since moving into the new place at the end of 2019 season. 6% is reasonable in these circumstances, and if you compare to Arsenal i believe they also increased theirs last season too, so have had between 8-12% increases over 2 season....it only seems to be Spurs who make the news though!
It is sadly a fact of life that most things are silly expensive now, whether that's a pint of beer, a meal out or watching a PL team.
I would suggest all these other things have gone up in price far less than football tickets in recent times
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Yep everything goes up except away tickets - the most gold dust of things in football and the silly twunts put a £30 limit on them.
Now if I want to go to an away game I need pay a huge premium because the people with enough loyalty points at the beginning have a nice little business of buying the tickets for £30 and selling at £100 plus - or if it’s Bournemouth away it’s £300.
To take my eldest to an away game, I ether pay a huge premium or sit in the home stand.
The ticketing sites have tickets in the Palace end going for £40 this weekend, it’s £200 if you want to sit in the Tottenham section though.
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It costs me about £40-50 to just get to a game, depending on the mode - Train & Tube is about the same as Car & parking, and the latter is the only option if taking my 2 sons.
So Fulham at home £60 ticket, £50 Travel = £110.
Fulham fans - £5 Travelcard, £30 ticket = £35
The travel is my choice so fair enough, but to have a ticket at half the cost of mine is galling.
It penalises London clubs. We have WHU, Palace Fulham, Chelsea, Arsenal, Brentford. So about 1/3 of the games are away fans who live in the same city. There's no way they deserve a £30 away ticket. They should be the same price as the cheapest home ticket.
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Considering most of London clubs fans have the least distance to travel, and therefore the least expense, I don't see how it's unfair on London clubs at all.
https://www.cinch.co.uk/news/which-premier-league-fans-drive-the-furthest
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He is saying it’s unfair on the home fans. The NLD you can have 2 blokes from the same street going with one paying £80 and the other £30 all because of the away ticket cap.
Due to the number of London clubs this scenario can occur again and again and again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, I don't see how it's unfair because the reverse fixture will benefit the other fan. I'm not trying to goad you, I just don't see where the unfairness comes into it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s unfair as his chances of going to the reverse fixture are about the same as mine are to turning out for the Harlem Globetrotters - so he only ever pays the inflated price
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Got you, would increasing away ticket improve your chances of getting one? Or would you advocate for a different way to allocate away tickets. The thing is, clubs would have to give a sh!t for this to happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would like to see a system where away tickets are split into 3 - 1 goes on loyalty points, another goes on ballot and the final one goes on dynamic pricing.
Would kill the touts, would give those with less financial resources and chance and would give everyone the chance to do at least 1 away game a season
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not a bad plan, I like the youth policy though, we have a small ballot