It's been a strange 2 and a bit years under ETH. Been following Utd for pretty much 40 years now, seen a lot of managers, but when I view ETH's reign, it just seems full of contradiction.
The good - 2 trophies, a first season 3rd place finish, followed by a disappointing 8th, but overall, if you looked at that alone, you might think, pretty good overall, although it's in the context of how our standards have dropped over the years that what has happened would be considered pretty good. But of course there are other things to consider.....
The bad - just never felt that ETH had the players' belief in him. Tactically questionable at times, but sometimes you can overcome that if the players are truly with you. I genuinely think that for most of the time, the players didn't give up or down tools ( I accept the odd game, the toys went out of the pram etc), more that ETH just struggled to communicate with them and get across what he really wanted. Sometimes that just happens at a club, and especially at Utd, you need it all - tactical nous, communication skills, that bit of charisma / 'X' factor. ETH just came up short in those departments.
The ugly - the inevitable style of play. Did we ever really find out how ETH wanted us to play - not on the pitch anyway. Also so many records broken for the wrong reasons - so many defeats at home, pretty much looking vulnerable to any team we played, so many losses by 3 goals or more, so many insipid performances.
I don't think anyone feels that ETH wasn't give a fair run, indeed, given so many poor performances, many would argue he got more than a fair run - there will always be disagreement of when he should have gone, but that's been done to death.
I have seen so many poor performances, and I really do think, how the hell did we manage to win 2 trophies - to me it shows that there is potential in this squad of players and surely the right manager can get them playing well, scoring goals, being able to dominate some games at least, and looking more like a team rather than a bunch of individuals.
ETH gave great effort, the highlight is the FA Cup win, the low is probably the 7-0 defeat to Liverpool. Sadly the lows far outweigh the highs for me.
I hope he does well in the future, wherever that may be.
But we move on, it seems to Amorim, and hope he has the magic touch we have been looking for.
Reflection - the good, the bad and the ugly
posted on 3/2/25
If ten hag had got Kane like he wanted, he would still be at Man Utd. I honestly think Kane with all the good chances we had under ten hag would have scored 200 goals more in same position. ten hag must be the first manager to be sacked after coaching a win by 5 goals and losing due to inept finishing and shocking refereeing. Even Arteta thought it was incredible how we lost.
posted on 3/2/25
I think Graham Taylor may have managed it before him, but I'd need to check.
posted on 3/2/25
https://x.com/paddypower/status/1886087617462092135
rik Ten Hag had a PL win % of 51.8 at Man United.
Ruben Amorim's is 30.8%.
Talk about an instant impact.
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If we had an average conversion rate ten hag win percentage would have been 70%.
posted on 3/2/25
Are you sure mate, that's higher than Pep's
posted on 3/2/25
Yeah we averaged a goal every 17 shots or so in the PL while most teams averaged a goal every 8 shots or so in the PL.
posted on 3/2/25
We missed like 90% of our big chances under ten hag in the PL. 😂
posted on 3/2/25
I can remember us missing over 150 one on ones, 100 point blank chances and and about 20 open goals while he was in charge.
posted on 3/2/25
Even if we miss next 20 big chances without scoring under Amorim it would still be better than our average conversion rate under ten hag lol.😂
posted on 3/2/25
I think under ETH we scored like 20 one on ones from 170. 50 of them were when we had 4 vs the keeper.😂 It is funny they say ETH had no style of play when we were the most dominant PL counter pressing side under him lol.
posted on 3/2/25
Who remembers the Everton game under ETH. We won 2-0 in 22/23 season at OT it should have been 13-0 at HT but instead it was 1-0. We basically had 13 chances with just the keeper to beat and failed 12 times.😂 It was funny we beat Everton 4-0 under Amorim without creating much and fans said we already beaten ten hag biggest win but the reality was Amorim coached an even game and ten hag coached a 13+ goal win against Everton.