about Amorim coming to manage us.
I don't know why, nothing scientific about it, just simply a good feeling about him.
To put it into context, my feelings about other managers since Fergie left have been:
Moyes - didn't mind us going for him, but it became apparent very early on he just didn't have it. I also didn't like the way he never seemed to refer to 'we' but always said Man Utd when at the club
LVG - understood his appointment, but ultimately he was past his best, and it just felt like a dour time
Jose - felt his style of management etc wasn't the way forward. Ultimately he didn't do badly, but never really warmed to his appointment.
Ole - brought a lot of joy to the club, probably should have just had him as interim, but deep down didn't really think he would lead us back to the very top
Ralf - just an experiment that went wrong.
ETH - I felt a good choice, but wasn't excited by him. Ultimately, lacked the communication skills and X factor to take us to where we wanted.
Of course people will have varying views on both previous managers and Amorim.
But it really is the first time I have felt, yeah, this does feel right, and I am actually looking forward to it and feeling optimistic.
I know he doesn't have experience in a 'big league' and there are probably other things he hasn't done, but with the Utd role, I just feel it's a case of you need to have something about you that can't really be measured until you are actually in the job. And that's just as likely to be someone who is on an upward curve as someone who has experience in a big league. I hope Amorim will continue his upward curve and prove to be an inspirational choice.
I like the way he sounds, how he comes across, it just feels right.
But you know what, if it turns out not to be, we just try again with someone else. Being Utd boss is tough, a job that probably very few are capable of fulfilling, so I accept that more often than not that you will get the 'wrong guy', not the right one.
Honestly, I am just so excited
posted 3 days, 7 hours ago
I think it’s really going to be as simple as if the manager and the players gel. I don’t think Ten Hag ever did. He fell out with Ronaldo then Sancho and then De Gea amongst others and imo the players just didn’t wanna run through brick walls for the guy.
From all accounts Amorim is beloved and very inspirational which might just be the thing to get the players to raise their levels to something resembling United level.
posted 3 days, 7 hours ago
I think it’s really going to be as simple as if the manager and the players gel. I don’t think Ten Hag ever did. He fell out with Ronaldo then Sancho and then De Gea amongst others and imo the players just didn’t wanna run through brick walls for the guy.
From all accounts Amorim is beloved and very inspirational which might just be the thing to get the players to raise their levels to something resembling United level.
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Jose had players who to this day will say they'd die for him.
Ole was loved top to bottom in and around United.
Have a look at ETH's send off after his final game at Ajax. I recently spent 2 days at Ajax speaking to people inside the club and I can tell you know they love ETH there and every single person I spoke to there said they'd love him back.
Its a CURSE!!! We need to break it.
posted 3 days, 7 hours ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it’s really going to be as simple as if the manager and the players gel. I don’t think Ten Hag ever did. He fell out with Ronaldo then Sancho and then De Gea amongst others and imo the players just didn’t wanna run through brick walls for the guy.
From all accounts Amorim is beloved and very inspirational which might just be the thing to get the players to raise their levels to something resembling United level.
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Jose had players who to this day will say they'd die for him.
Ole was loved top to bottom in and around United.
Have a look at ETH's send off after his final game at Ajax. I recently spent 2 days at Ajax speaking to people inside the club and I can tell you know they love ETH there and every single person I spoke to there said they'd love him back.
Its a CURSE!!! We need to break it.
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I mean more that they gel personally and tactically too. I’m certain the players didn’t respect Ole on a tactical level and regarding Ten Hag - I doubt the players ever understood what Ten Hag wanted from them. One week it was a counter attacking side and the next it was possession based. Scholes alluded to that the other week.
Hopefully Amorim comes in with a clear plan and the players buy into it.
posted 3 days, 6 hours ago
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posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Pure Copium
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So keen to be first that you didn't read the article?
posted 3 days, 6 hours ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Amorim's predecessors failed because of a mixture of personal shortcomings and mistakes, combined with long-term absence of sporting strategy across the whole organisation. Not because they were in the wrong category of manager in terms of big club / PL experience etc.
I'm encouraged that we're moving toward being a much better sporting operation, which actually works back from sporting goals and seeks to set commercial, recruitment, data, tactical methods to fit them. That's a huge advantage Amorim has over his predecessors. Beyond that, it's going to be interesting watching him attempt to shape the team with new ideas, and hopefully they succeed.
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Agree with this, there's a big difference this time around with the structure he has in place above him. Obviously no guarantees in football but expectations will be low this season and a push for top 4 next season with a defined style would be seen as enough of an improvement
posted 3 days, 6 hours ago
I just can't hide it...
posted 3 days, 6 hours ago
The club has just confirmed the appointment.
posted 3 days, 4 hours ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
Sorry to be a realist here but look at it this way.
Moyes was proven with years and years of PL experience knew the league like this back of his hand at the time this made sooo much sense
LVG had won it at the biggest clubs in the biggest leagues no one was saying "he is past it" when he joined sorry OP. And IMO he was actually starting to get it right before he was sacked.
Jose was the best manager in the world at the time level with Pep in terms of his rep and trophies won at the time. United had just secured the biggest name in football management at the time.
Ole... it was odd at the time probably because the tried and tested approach hadn't worked so why not try a wildcard? And during Covid I have to say that is the best United we've seen post SAF!
ETH was a similar idea to what they are doing now with Amorim imo. It was a up and coming manager showing great potential in taking a half decent team and making them a force. Seemed at the time like a great coach great man manager and a lot of potential.
So you can see from the above United have tried quiet a few approaches when hiring and sadly its gone wrong each time therefore there is no reason to automatically assume this appointment is any more better or worse than what happened before or will work any better or worse than before.
They need to break the curse.... Then even Carrick could come in and win it all.
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In reply to some of your comments
Had no difficulty in choosing Moyes - just a case of seeing if he could make the step up, but it was apparent he couldn't.
Sorry, but LVG was past his best by the time he came to us - we appointed him as a 'safe pair of hands'. He had been to a lot of big European clubs, before bossing Holland. He of course wasn't a bad manager, but certainly wasn't in his peak years.
By the time Jose joined us, he was on a downward spiral also. His style of management wasn't how the going was going, pep was leading a new way. Jose's peak was during the Chelsea and Madrid years. Once again not a bad manager, but was past his peak.
Ole got us playing our most entertaining football, and by that time we were just pleased to see the team playing well etc. But he was never going to be 'the man' long term.
Nothing wrong with ETH as a choice, but ultimately just lacking in being able to manage Utd.
You call it a curse - I just say that it's one of the toughest jobs out there, for which there is no template for what will prove to be successful.
But I can only say what I honestly felt at the time in the appointment of the other managers, and it's the 'excitement' factor that I've never had before with any of the others.
Of course I am realistic, and have already said we are more likely to get the wrong guy that the right one, that's just choosing a manager generally, but it's the first time that I have really truly thought, yep, this really could be the guy.
posted 2 days, 22 hours ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/444005
"News being broken by Orny!! I am just so happy lads, the first exciting managerial appointment for a decade. A cultural reset is needed at this club, and hopefully this is the start."
On another note while looking for that, Craig Bushmouse called ETH a long, long time before anyone else
posted 1 day, 2 hours ago
https://youtu.be/RtHJNBWSZX0?si=cqwSNE-dU-lzGIjS
Just hoping he can teach these players how to finish.