....Amorim faces a massive challenge, with key metrics showing the scale of the task ahead:
Goals scored: 9 (18th)
xG performance: -7.8 (20th)
Shot conversion: 6.4% (19th)
Big chance conversion: 19% (20th)
This situation requires more than a two-year contract IMHO. Amorim’s decision to accept the role suggests he sees potential within the current squad, yet both the numbers and our league standing indicate we’re in relegation form. Stopping the rot is key, but is there enough to work on? The players’ inconsistency, with some choosing when to run and others displaying zero to no work rate, has consistently undermined successive managers as have decision making and in-game management. These are overpaid amateurs! And they will continue to do the same unless a massive sea change in attitude takes place.
The club's culture is clearly toxic, and unless this is addressed, managerial changes or player recruitment will continue to fail.
Toxic culture?
posted on 4/11/24
comment by Barf Vader
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
Disrespecting your British fans' was the accusation I believe.
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Barf, this can’t be true, surely? Who’s made that accusation?!
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I've seen a couple of questions from the PC from english journalists (Simon Stone I think was one) and he answered their questions in Portuguese - this is pretty standard for a PC in Portugal when the club is Portuguese and the manager is Portuguese.
Heard a bit from the Monday Night Club Podcast on BBC. Might have misheard as I was doing something else earlier but I'm pretty sure this is what they reported the reaction was from the press.
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I find some journalists at the BBC, especially those covering Utd, rather frustrating. Simon Stone and Phil McNulty seem to stand out for me, as their style gives a sense of bias against Utd, it's often sensationalised claptrap , designed to drive traffic to the BBC website. Compared to our European counterparts, who are often multilingual, UK journalists do come across as somewhat narrow minded at times. The tendency for certain UK journalists to portray a sense of superiority, while lacking the same language skills, shows a type of snobbery that everyone despises.
posted on 4/11/24
comment by Vengeance
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
Disrespecting your British fans' was the accusation I believe.
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Barf, this can’t be true, surely? Who’s made that accusation?!
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I've seen a couple of questions from the PC from english journalists (Simon Stone I think was one) and he answered their questions in Portuguese - this is pretty standard for a PC in Portugal when the club is Portuguese and the manager is Portuguese.
Heard a bit from the Monday Night Club Podcast on BBC. Might have misheard as I was doing something else earlier but I'm pretty sure this is what they reported the reaction was from the press.
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I find some journalists at the BBC, especially those covering Utd, rather frustrating. Simon Stone and Phil McNulty seem to stand out for me, as their style gives a sense of bias against Utd, it's often sensationalised claptrap , designed to drive traffic to the BBC website. Compared to our European counterparts, who are often multilingual, UK journalists do come across as somewhat narrow minded at times. The tendency for certain UK journalists to portray a sense of superiority, while lacking the same language skills, shows a type of snobbery that everyone despises.
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Complete press conference, featuring a disrespectful and arrogant questioner, likely Gary Cotterill from Sky Sports (at 21:48). What a pig!
https://youtu.be/BC8MQE73Rowsi=QYcATDQ2j7RpCvz_
posted on 4/11/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
I don't think the players are toxic. I think it's a lazy excuse that the media continue to throw out. For starters ETH signed 14 players whilst our manager so half this squad were his own players. He also made Bruno his captain, brought through Mainoo and Rashford was his star man for a good while.
We just have a lot of poor players. When you get recruitment this wrong for over a decade this is the end result. It's simple math. If you buy a load of players that were never good enough to start with or just flop badly then you become a crap team.
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First comment sums it up well. Let’s see what the new board can do with a year at the club and a summer window.
This summer was underwhelming, I have hope for Ugarte but worry for De Ligt and Zirkzee, seem another pair who won’t propel us anywhere near where we need to be. Let’s hope Yoro is the player he’s hyped up to be.
posted on 4/11/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
Disrespecting your British fans' was the accusation I believe.
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Barf, this can’t be true, surely? Who’s made that accusation?!
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I've seen a couple of questions from the PC from english journalists (Simon Stone I think was one) and he answered their questions in Portuguese - this is pretty standard for a PC in Portugal when the club is Portuguese and the manager is Portuguese.
Heard a bit from the Monday Night Club Podcast on BBC. Might have misheard as I was doing something else earlier but I'm pretty sure this is what they reported the reaction was from the press.
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I find some journalists at the BBC, especially those covering Utd, rather frustrating. Simon Stone and Phil McNulty seem to stand out for me, as their style gives a sense of bias against Utd, it's often sensationalised claptrap , designed to drive traffic to the BBC website. Compared to our European counterparts, who are often multilingual, UK journalists do come across as somewhat narrow minded at times. The tendency for certain UK journalists to portray a sense of superiority, while lacking the same language skills, shows a type of snobbery that everyone despises.
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Complete press conference, featuring a disrespectful and arrogant questioner, likely Gary Cotterill from Sky Sports (at 21:48). What a pig!
https://youtu.be/BC8MQE73Rowsi=QYcATDQ2j7RpCvz_
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There can only ever be 1 manager from Portugal in Gary Cotterill's eyes. The man is in love with Mourinho.
posted on 4/11/24
There can only ever be 1 manager from Portugal in Gary Cotterill's eyes. The man is in love with Mourinho.
…..
More than Robbsie and Wahl?
posted on 4/11/24
"It's like a cold shoulder to your English fans"
Cotterill the warrior is the self-appointed representative of United fans over here.
The question he put as well, which he wanted an answer in English to was, if you beat City tomorrow do you realise you'll be a hero to United fans before you even arrive at the club? Ffs.
posted on 4/11/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 minutes ago
There can only ever be 1 manager from Portugal in Gary Cotterill's eyes. The man is in love with Mourinho.
…..
More than Robbsie and Wahl?
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Absolutely. Although he could be Wahl I suppose.
https://x.com/gary_cotterill?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
posted on 5/11/24
comment by Busby
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
I don't think the players are toxic. I think it's a lazy excuse that the media continue to throw out. For starters ETH signed 14 players whilst our manager so half this squad were his own players. He also made Bruno his captain, brought through Mainoo and Rashford was his star man for a good while.
We just have a lot of poor players. When you get recruitment this wrong for over a decade this is the end result. It's simple math. If you buy a load of players that were never good enough to start with or just flop badly then you become a crap team.
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First comment sums it up well. Let’s see what the new board can do with a year at the club and a summer window.
This summer was underwhelming, I have hope for Ugarte but worry for De Ligt and Zirkzee, seem another pair who won’t propel us anywhere near where we need to be. Let’s hope Yoro is the player he’s hyped up to be.
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Looking back, was this transfer window that underwhelming, or did you feel like this at the time? Initially, most people saw it as a solid beginning for the new sporting team. None of the players were finished articles and although most came at a cost, they arrived with high promise, some, like De Ligt, came with question marks and his patchy form shows why. Despite this, almost all may end up making some contribution, only time will tell. Zirkzee, however, appears unsettled, our current form isn’t helping any of the new players. At the moment, only Mazraoui can confidently hold his head up high.
posted on 5/11/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home aga... (U21595)
posted 30 seconds ago
I don't believe the fans were hurling abuse as they came out the tunnel. For the first 20 mins the crowd was right behind them.
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defo did, was surprised to hear this too, new manager etc....
he said it was so toxic near that tunnel
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Think I saw Britney Spears if that helps.
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sigh,
Somebody comes on and posts in peace, informing you of something that happened at your game, and you make it a toxic time.....
well there you go, I guess
anyone wishing to discuss this sensibly, let me know
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I was there. Didn't hear it. <w@nkhor>
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kin el mate, why the aggression? - my pal was there and he heard it, what more can I say.
came on here nothing but polite, pointing out a toxic culture at clubs is often the fans, it was at Leeds to.. get called a boat load of names..
kind of proves my point in a way, returing my politness with a name calling and a refusal to accept something I've heard, could of / should of made for a decent debate.
the toxicity on this thread alone proves my point. oh well
posted on 6/11/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 day, 10 hours ago
Willing to give Amorim plenty of time in terms of results but I do want to see an improvement in style reasonably quickly. Other manager have made huge changes at clubs without signing their own players.
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This is obvious.