Most Profitable Football Club in The World!

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 43 minutes ago
https://x.com/sb8308715342770/status/1856993656474919080?s=46

Interesting post here too. People are really starting to notice this. This never has been about building something for success. It’s only ever been about penny pinching.

We are doomed until that bald cvnt leaves. Simple as that. Worst part is he seems to have the same kind of determination to stick around as an international despot wanted for war crimes. Real Gadafi energy.
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It is just a spin on a process of rebuilding.

you could easily look at Porro vs Emerson/Doherty, Maddison vs GLC , Richarlison vs Bergwijn, Bissouma vs Winks and see the opposite trend. Romero is our best paid CB ever, whoever you deem him to have replaced.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 38 minutes ago
you could easily look at Porro vs Emerson/Doherty, Maddison vs GLC , Richarlison vs Bergwijn, Bissouma vs Winks and see the opposite trend. Romero is our best paid CB ever, whoever you deem him to have replaced.


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Romero was signed before the decision to lower the wage bill began. It's only a recent thing to accelerate investment. What will be interesting is how Levy approaches contract renewal talks. There's a lot of noise about Romero. My feeling is that, unlike the past, Levy will sell and replace with another youngster on peanuts. He'd love nothing better than to shift Romero, Maddison and Son off the books given their wages.

Then he'll find out that you can't finish even remotely close to 4th if you've got a team full of kids with no experience to nurture them.

I just cannot fathom how you can defend Levy to this degree. It's plain to see what he's doing to this club.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 38 minutes ago
you could easily look at Porro vs Emerson/Doherty, Maddison vs GLC , Richarlison vs Bergwijn, Bissouma vs Winks and see the opposite trend. Romero is our best paid CB ever, whoever you deem him to have replaced.


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Romero was signed before the decision to lower the wage bill began. It's only a recent thing to accelerate investment. What will be interesting is how Levy approaches contract renewal talks. There's a lot of noise about Romero. My feeling is that, unlike the past, Levy will sell and replace with another youngster on peanuts. He'd love nothing better than to shift Romero, Maddison and Son off the books given their wages.

Then he'll find out that you can't finish even remotely close to 4th if you've got a team full of kids with no experience to nurture them.

I just cannot fathom how you can defend Levy to this degree. It's plain to see what he's doing to this club.
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What decision to lower the wage bill?

You talk about this strategy as if its fact. It aint. This may surprise you but twitter sometimes doesnt post truths, and that journalists will write things that will attract interest and clicks and the gullible flock to it.

It is an idiotic stance to say that players Levy would love nothing more than to sell the players he's sanctioned to buy

It is not plain to see what he's doing. You hang on to spun comparisons between wages, and in response to the ones i have identified which counter your claimed waged trimming trend, you say he'd love nothing more than to sell these players. You ignore anything that goes against your narrative. Look at the overall strategy. Its not based on trimming wages and you cannot prove it does, without be uber selective.

It is beyond stupid to highlight that Spurs have got rid of 33 year Perisic, who we got for free but on huge wages and replaced him with Udogie, a far superior LB but young and on lesser wages as some sort of wage stripping strategy. Or that to have sold Dier and replaced him with VDV on half the wages is also part of that same strategy.

You're blinkered mate. I'm not defending anyone, I'm just looking at the whole picture to form my judgement, not being duped by some cherry-picked comparisons.

https://x.com/vdvisking/status/1857169519136878844?s=46

Surprise surprise!

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 38 minutes ago
you could easily look at Porro vs Emerson/Doherty, Maddison vs GLC , Richarlison vs Bergwijn, Bissouma vs Winks and see the opposite trend. Romero is our best paid CB ever, whoever you deem him to have replaced.


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Romero was signed before the decision to lower the wage bill began. It's only a recent thing to accelerate investment. What will be interesting is how Levy approaches contract renewal talks. There's a lot of noise about Romero. My feeling is that, unlike the past, Levy will sell and replace with another youngster on peanuts. He'd love nothing better than to shift Romero, Maddison and Son off the books given their wages.

Then he'll find out that you can't finish even remotely close to 4th if you've got a team full of kids with no experience to nurture them.

I just cannot fathom how you can defend Levy to this degree. It's plain to see what he's doing to this club.
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What decision to lower the wage bill?

You talk about this strategy as if its fact. It aint. This may surprise you but twitter sometimes doesnt post truths, and that journalists will write things that will attract interest and clicks and the gullible flock to it.

It is an idiotic stance to say that players Levy would love nothing more than to sell the players he's sanctioned to buy

It is not plain to see what he's doing. You hang on to spun comparisons between wages, and in response to the ones i have identified which counter your claimed waged trimming trend, you say he'd love nothing more than to sell these players. You ignore anything that goes against your narrative. Look at the overall strategy. Its not based on trimming wages and you cannot prove it does, without be uber selective.

It is beyond stupid to highlight that Spurs have got rid of 33 year Perisic, who we got for free but on huge wages and replaced him with Udogie, a far superior LB but young and on lesser wages as some sort of wage stripping strategy. Or that to have sold Dier and replaced him with VDV on half the wages is also part of that same strategy.

You're blinkered mate. I'm not defending anyone, I'm just looking at the whole picture to form my judgement, not being duped by some cherry-picked comparisons.

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Well time will prove one of us right. Neither of us can be certain at this stage because, as you say, a rebuild naturally sees wages drop anyway.

I should make it clear that this isn't something I've dreamt up myself looking at the stats. It's information fed by Paul O'Keefe, who is very close to the club, or at the very least knows someone influential enough to be pretty bang on with targets and incoming transfers. He's recently been pretty scolding about ENIC's plans, which is pretty out of character. He's usually quite measured in response to club drama so that suggests whatever he's got wind of isn't great news. So anyway, this isn't pub chat between Spurs fans with wild conspiracy theories. It's reliably-informed warnings about where the club is ACTUALLY heading. You can close your eyes to it, fine. You do you. But let's see where we are a year or two from now because if I'm right and the wage bill is about to plummet, then looking at the wage bill table above, it's a pretty good measure of where clubs finish (aside from United). If we're mid table spenders, we'll be mid-table finishers. Then we'll know who's right.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 15 minutes ago
https://x.com/vdvisking/status/1857169519136878844?s=46

Surprise surprise!
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Actually ignore this. Think it's a parody post.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 38 minutes ago
you could easily look at Porro vs Emerson/Doherty, Maddison vs GLC , Richarlison vs Bergwijn, Bissouma vs Winks and see the opposite trend. Romero is our best paid CB ever, whoever you deem him to have replaced.


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Romero was signed before the decision to lower the wage bill began. It's only a recent thing to accelerate investment. What will be interesting is how Levy approaches contract renewal talks. There's a lot of noise about Romero. My feeling is that, unlike the past, Levy will sell and replace with another youngster on peanuts. He'd love nothing better than to shift Romero, Maddison and Son off the books given their wages.

Then he'll find out that you can't finish even remotely close to 4th if you've got a team full of kids with no experience to nurture them.

I just cannot fathom how you can defend Levy to this degree. It's plain to see what he's doing to this club.
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What decision to lower the wage bill?

You talk about this strategy as if its fact. It aint. This may surprise you but twitter sometimes doesnt post truths, and that journalists will write things that will attract interest and clicks and the gullible flock to it.

It is an idiotic stance to say that players Levy would love nothing more than to sell the players he's sanctioned to buy

It is not plain to see what he's doing. You hang on to spun comparisons between wages, and in response to the ones i have identified which counter your claimed waged trimming trend, you say he'd love nothing more than to sell these players. You ignore anything that goes against your narrative. Look at the overall strategy. Its not based on trimming wages and you cannot prove it does, without be uber selective.

It is beyond stupid to highlight that Spurs have got rid of 33 year Perisic, who we got for free but on huge wages and replaced him with Udogie, a far superior LB but young and on lesser wages as some sort of wage stripping strategy. Or that to have sold Dier and replaced him with VDV on half the wages is also part of that same strategy.

You're blinkered mate. I'm not defending anyone, I'm just looking at the whole picture to form my judgement, not being duped by some cherry-picked comparisons.

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Well time will prove one of us right. Neither of us can be certain at this stage because, as you say, a rebuild naturally sees wages drop anyway.

I should make it clear that this isn't something I've dreamt up myself looking at the stats. It's information fed by Paul O'Keefe, who is very close to the club, or at the very least knows someone influential enough to be pretty bang on with targets and incoming transfers. He's recently been pretty scolding about ENIC's plans, which is pretty out of character. He's usually quite measured in response to club drama so that suggests whatever he's got wind of isn't great news. So anyway, this isn't pub chat between Spurs fans with wild conspiracy theories. It's reliably-informed warnings about where the club is ACTUALLY heading. You can close your eyes to it, fine. You do you. But let's see where we are a year or two from now because if I'm right and the wage bill is about to plummet, then looking at the wage bill table above, it's a pretty good measure of where clubs finish (aside from United). If we're mid table spenders, we'll be mid-table finishers. Then we'll know who's right.
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Fair enough, but you need to look at the whole picture.

That picture includes a club that earns a lot but is now spending just as much meaning we are hovering around break even. SO its not as if the bosses are being cheap in either transfers or wages as we cannot carry much more of either without putting us, for example, where Newcastle ended up this summer, unable to do any serious business.

We have had to rebuild and there has been a big churn of players, and that churn has seen a mix of quality coming in. Some Snr pros and some kids. But as a team that is looking to rebuild and build up to a peak, that is usually through a slightly longer term view. It is not possible to move us from where we ended with Conte to where we want to be in 1 or even 2 windows without spending massively. As above, our ability to spend massively is limited, especially given the number of players being moved on.

As a club owners, Levy is not stupid. We know he will not put us at risk, which some might have a problem with. But at the same time he knows the value of success, particularly now that we have exploited almost every part of the clubs ability to increase revenues. The only missing piece financially is stadium sponsorship and no-one is handing them out anymore. To move us on we need success. Why are City's so wealthy? Their matchday is less than ours, their TV money is similar, the non-football revenues is well below ours.....its down to the other commercial revenues generated from successful and being of the highest profile.

We cannot dope ourselves to that position like they did and Levy will not put us at risk financially in chasing that goal, but he knows the promised land is reached through success.

In my head I have drawn a line under the pre-Ange era. It was a messy time where many mistake were made post-Poch. The strategy has clearly changed, the personnel at all levels of the club have changed and with a new team from Boardroom to coaching pitch, we are in a building phase. Arsenal didnt buy Rice after one season of Arteta, these sort of statement signings are all about timing. At the same time we have had to make changes, but its not fantasy football, a degree of pragmatism has to come into play, its not just about identifying 7 MVPs and buying them all, it's a blend, it has to be.

I think Arsenal are a good example. Have a look at their chronology of signings since Arteta. Initially its a mix of the odd big signing like Partey & White, mixed in with some kids, and some to do a job (many of which are now gone). They got the likes of Odegarrd who was a kid at the time, they got Gabriel in quite cheap and had Saliba as a kid out on loan somewhere.

When you review what they have done you can see a clear strategy, which has also included shifting some expensive unwanted_Aubam, Lacazette, Pepe etc, and you can see the path they have taken. 8th 8th 5th 2nd 2nd.

There is clearly work to be done. Both with this squad and in terms of improving the squad. The over reaction to every bump in the road is just ridiculous and spawns these flimsy narratives about shrinking wages and investment value.

There is a reason why Spurs fans are mocked for a lack of trophies when the likes of Newcastle and Villa are not, despite having way longer droughts...it's because so many of our fans act like entitled <surfers>

I share every fans frustration at the baron time we have had, and i want success, but realism about the timeframe to deliver that has to come into play. I think most fans should be willing to see where this current cycle takes us, rather than calling for the head of players/coach/Levy after ever setback.

That's part of the issue though Dev. You might be willing to draw a line pre-Ange but the rest of us use those years, going all the way back to Levy's start around 2001, as a barometer for what to expect going forward. To ignore it as a rocky period rather than the mean average is naive. The reason most fans have this level of scepticism is because we've seen it all too often before. Now you might argue we're in a different financial world than before, owed to wise decisions Levy made regarding stadium revenue etc, but as I'd said before, I think those investments were absolutes. They were guaranteed returns. It's one thing to plough 300m into a hotel knowing that profits are almost guaranteed off the back of stadium events, and quite another to commit say 100m on a player when he could flop. Those are the grey areas Levy tends to sweat over.

You're right. Arsenal did build in stages but once they got European football, even finishing 5th behind us, they didn't sit and admire the view, they strengthened. When they usurped us in the CL positions, they really invested that extra revenue and kicked on. The only reason they've yet to win a title is because they're up against the best club side this country has ever seen, but you can't deny their ambition. The outlays Rice, Havertz, Timber & Raya were big and they'd only been in the CL for two years previous to that. They were by no means guaranteed to continue finishing in those positions but they gambled and now they're CL dead certs. I don't think Levy gambles. That's the issue. You might say that's because we're early on in the rebuild but we'd been in the CL year after year under Poch but if anything, our spending slowed down. Some will say that was the stadium but our repayment plan is generous. It barely impacts our spend and certainly doesn't impact PSR rules, given it sits under a different umbrella of club debt.

Maybe you're right but history tells us Levy just operates in a different way, a more cautious way and it's that caution, that hesitancy, that will ultimately trip us over time and time again as it always has done in the past.

I actually think Levy has given up on Sporting success, he has tried all manner of managers, thrown massive money at serial winners in an attempt to bring us a trophy and failed spectacularly.

These days it is mainly young players coming through the door, those who he can pay less than established stars and experienced leaders. Levy isn`t building a squad to challenge for major honours, he is building a squad that has the potential to see it`s value increase significantly.

Every decision Levy takes is a business one and not a sporting one, that`s no good if you want a successful football team.

Levy out.