British farmers

Right guys, balls out of the bag on this one, where do we stand on Bovaer?

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
Mind you I have nice green belt field right behind me...so it's all good in Nimby
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There is a tricky balance to be found.

The last Govt tried to move things on in terms of the delivery of housing and everywhere you will go you will find local communities objecting to expansion, sometimes justified other times not.

Finding the balance between new homes and the environment is very difficult. The Govt have just published their new national guidance and that is going to ramp up disquiet within Councils and locals because their targets are so high.

I work in property sector and most experts i deal with do not view the Govts target of 1.5m houses as realistic. Achieving it will mean walking all over the countryside and other environmental concerns .

In my view it smacks of setting unrealistic targets, pre-election and having to take quite extreme measures to achieve these targets. I can tell you now, they will not achieve this target within the 4.5 years they have left, but in trying to do so it could be really quite damaging to the environment, the countryside and local communities.

Where immigration is such a key factor driving the need for housing, it is somewhat staggering that they will not commit to setting any targets, even vaguely. Seemingly happy to try and treat the symptoms and not the cause.

DivvyDev

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Seeing 2nd home ownership as some pure evil when actually the majority of 2nd homes are let/rented, to those people who need rented accommodation. It fulfils a genuine need, as does, to a lesser extent, airB&Bs."

Ah yes those benevolent landlords providing a vital service to the people they've priced out of property ownership. Come on now Dev be realistic lad.

"I have stayed in airb&bs all over the Europe and beyond. Envious people like you do not see them as providing a service for which there is a genuine demand, you see them as greedy wealthy people exploiting people and places"

Numerous cities around the world agree with what I've said about Airbnb's and are taking steps to stop over tourism pricing locals out.

What's the migration numbers in Devon Dev?

Re: national parks, that was to counter your ridiculous claim Labour are turning the countryside into housing estates

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
DivvyDev

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Seeing 2nd home ownership as some pure evil when actually the majority of 2nd homes are let/rented, to those people who need rented accommodation. It fulfils a genuine need, as does, to a lesser extent, airB&Bs."

Ah yes those benevolent landlords providing a vital service to the people they've priced out of property ownership. Come on now Dev be realistic lad.

"I have stayed in airb&bs all over the Europe and beyond. Envious people like you do not see them as providing a service for which there is a genuine demand, you see them as greedy wealthy people exploiting people and places"

Numerous cities around the world agree with what I've said about Airbnb's and are taking steps to stop over tourism pricing locals out.

What's the migration numbers in Devon Dev?

Re: national parks, that was to counter your ridiculous claim Labour are turning the countryside into housing estates
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Whether houses are rented or owner occupied, there are a certain number of them. The issue is with supply and demand. There are more landlords in the market now than say 2010 because the demand for rented is high. And it is high because buying is expensive. The rented market reacts to demand and supply, it is a symptom of larger demand and supply issues, not the cause of them.

As said on Airbnbs, there needs to be a balance found because it can harm local communities. But Airbnb is a massive industry now because it provides a great service and there a huge demand for it.

2023 immigraton in rough figures was about 1m in and about 350 out. Net 650k. Our growth rate was zero, so all population growth was down to migration.

The Govts new National Planning Policy Framework is looking to loosen up the system and make it more easy to build on green land, even on Greenbelt. In my line of work this document (NPPF) is my bible so i know what i am talking about. There is going to be huge disquiet, particularly when Starmer is making statement like "housing must take priority over nature and the environment"

Dev

"2023 immigraton in rough figures was about 1m in and about 350 out. Net 650k. Our growth rate was zero, so all population growth was down to migration."

I asked about in Devon specifically. Is there a big migrant population in the South West or are the strains on public services more down to second homes, displaced Londoners and tourist rentals?

https://www.devon.gov.uk/equality/guidance/equality-information/migration-data

"94% of Devon (County Council area) residents were born in the UK. It is worth noting that almost half of people living in Britain but born abroad are British citizens due to the legacy of British colonialism and military postings abroad."

Yeah but immigration or something eh Dev

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
Dev

"2023 immigraton in rough figures was about 1m in and about 350 out. Net 650k. Our growth rate was zero, so all population growth was down to migration."

I asked about in Devon specifically. Is there a big migrant population in the South West or are the strains on public services more down to second homes, displaced Londoners and tourist rentals?
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So you've cited a 2019 report based on 2011 census data

2nd homes is an issue is some parts of the county and country, but this is not what is driving up prices generally.

Yes it may do so in some specific nice locations, and these sorts of issues are repeated across a lot of popular holiday spots, and are not unique to the UK.

There are reported as 225k airbnbs in the UK, in a housing stock of 30m. To suggest this is what is driving house prices across the board is grasping at straws in trying to complete your fanciful narrative.

Population growth is what is putting pressure on the housing market, on services and infrastructure, and right now UK population growth is driven by net migration, not births & deaths.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
Dev

"2023 immigraton in rough figures was about 1m in and about 350 out. Net 650k. Our growth rate was zero, so all population growth was down to migration."

I asked about in Devon specifically. Is there a big migrant population in the South West or are the strains on public services more down to second homes, displaced Londoners and tourist rentals?
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So you've cited a 2019 report based on 2011 census data

2nd homes is an issue is some parts of the county and country, but this is not what is driving up prices generally.

Yes it may do so in some specific nice locations, and these sorts of issues are repeated across a lot of popular holiday spots, and are not unique to the UK.

There are reported as 225k airbnbs in the UK, in a housing stock of 30m. To suggest this is what is driving house prices across the board is grasping at straws in trying to complete your fanciful narrative.

Population growth is what is putting pressure on the housing market, on services and infrastructure, and right now UK population growth is driven by net migration, not births & deaths.
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Go on then, what are the migration numbers in your own county?

If you're blaming things on migrants surely you'd know?

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
Dev

"2023 immigraton in rough figures was about 1m in and about 350 out. Net 650k. Our growth rate was zero, so all population growth was down to migration."

I asked about in Devon specifically. Is there a big migrant population in the South West or are the strains on public services more down to second homes, displaced Londoners and tourist rentals?
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So you've cited a 2019 report based on 2011 census data

2nd homes is an issue is some parts of the county and country, but this is not what is driving up prices generally.

Yes it may do so in some specific nice locations, and these sorts of issues are repeated across a lot of popular holiday spots, and are not unique to the UK.

There are reported as 225k airbnbs in the UK, in a housing stock of 30m. To suggest this is what is driving house prices across the board is grasping at straws in trying to complete your fanciful narrative.

Population growth is what is putting pressure on the housing market, on services and infrastructure, and right now UK population growth is driven by net migration, not births & deaths.
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Go on then, what are the migration numbers in your own county?

If you're blaming things on migrants surely you'd know?
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What a ridiculous comment !

Housing supply and demand will show a trend on a national level and variations regionally.

The housing shortage is a national problem, causing a national trend everywhere of rising prices. Some areas may feel.this more acutely, perhaps impacted by high 2nd home ownership or just from becoming trendy.

The national trend is driven by a lack of supply and increasing demand. As the population is aging, and our birth rate is almost zero, but population has increased by nearly 700,000, that population growth is driving demand. Not only that, if it was just pure population growth, then the demand from 700000 new babies for housing is entirely different to 700,000 new adults and families coming to the UK to live.

I am not blaming anything. I am identifying the cause. But I see where you are going with your negative use of language trying to send me up as a Tory racist.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
Dev

"2023 immigraton in rough figures was about 1m in and about 350 out. Net 650k. Our growth rate was zero, so all population growth was down to migration."

I asked about in Devon specifically. Is there a big migrant population in the South West or are the strains on public services more down to second homes, displaced Londoners and tourist rentals?
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So you've cited a 2019 report based on 2011 census data

2nd homes is an issue is some parts of the county and country, but this is not what is driving up prices generally.

Yes it may do so in some specific nice locations, and these sorts of issues are repeated across a lot of popular holiday spots, and are not unique to the UK.

There are reported as 225k airbnbs in the UK, in a housing stock of 30m. To suggest this is what is driving house prices across the board is grasping at straws in trying to complete your fanciful narrative.

Population growth is what is putting pressure on the housing market, on services and infrastructure, and right now UK population growth is driven by net migration, not births & deaths.
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Go on then, what are the migration numbers in your own county?

If you're blaming things on migrants surely you'd know?
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What a ridiculous comment !

Housing supply and demand will show a trend on a national level and variations regionally.

The housing shortage is a national problem, causing a national trend everywhere of rising prices. Some areas may feel.this more acutely, perhaps impacted by high 2nd home ownership or just from becoming trendy.

The national trend is driven by a lack of supply and increasing demand. As the population is aging, and our birth rate is almost zero, but population has increased by nearly 700,000, that population growth is driving demand. Not only that, if it was just pure population growth, then the demand from 700000 new babies for housing is entirely different to 700,000 new adults and families coming to the UK to live.

I am not blaming anything. I am identifying the cause. But I see where you are going with your negative use of language trying to send me up as a Tory racist.
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Dev

You literally blamed the lack of housing for locals in Devon on immigration and not second homes, displaced Londoners and tourist rentals. Stop trying to extroplate a national average to something that isn't relevant to Devon. It, along with other SW counties, are way down on immigration figures compared to other places.

"I am not blaming anything. I am identifying the cause. But I see where you are going with your negative use of language trying to send me up as a Tory racist"

Oh fack off you tart