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comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 33 minutes ago
Sorry...just to add to the above, imo it's rather misleading to look at how far Sapiens has come as being a 300,000-year process, as it took way, way longer than that for life to evolve into Sapiens in the first place.
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On this planet and under our particular circumstances on this planet. We've been hit with ice ages, asteroids, floods and constant wars. Who knows how it would go on another planet where circumstances may be different?

With the universe being as large as it is there’s every chance that not only are there ‘aliens’ out there but there are infinite alternative versions of us making infinite choices that would blow our mind if we really grasped how many different versions of us there were ( see RDD for an example).

I read this theory that was interesting /reassuring that we never really die until our old age. That for example if you were in a plane that crashed you would just slip into another version of your life without even knowing the plane ever crashed. The people in that OG world would mourn your death but you’d just never know and keep going. Same for car crashes etc.

comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
With the universe being as large as it is there’s every chance that not only are there ‘aliens’ out there but there are infinite alternative versions of us making infinite choices that would blow our mind if we really grasped how many different versions of us there were ( see RDD for an example).

I read this theory that was interesting /reassuring that we never really die until our old age. That for example if you were in a plane that crashed you would just slip into another version of your life without even knowing the plane ever crashed. The people in that OG world would mourn your death but you’d just never know and keep going. Same for car crashes etc.
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comment by Mamba - I filter right back (U1282)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - I filter right back (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
It seems you're only come back is to say experts agree, without actually countering even one of the points actually made.

Perhaps tell us on what grounds do experts disagree with the points made?
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Well the main points are that the universe is unimaginably huge and unimaginably sparse, leaving distances between significant mass clusters so large that to travel between them would require unimaginably long periods of time or faster than light travel, which is ruled out by the very well understood, universal and immutable laws of physics.

If you have specific qs or ideas which you think might circumvent the above, whack them down in a list and I'll do my best to answer them later on
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It's like you haven't been reading my posts. All that is per our 75 IQ understanding., Your experts assume intelligent life would be like us, but that's not necessary the case.

Secondly, you are again conflating the chances that intelligent life exists in the universe with chances that two intelligent civilisations become aware of each other. The former doesn't require interstellar space travel while the latter is what would be limited by your point about distances.

It's like a person in the 15th century saying a smart phone will never exist because to them it would be beyond the physics they believe in their own time.

At a basic level Occam's razor suggests that since we exist in such a vast universe, then other intelligent life must also exist in this universe or another universe/dimension. We know that this universe exists therefore by that logic it is not far fetched to suggest that another universe(s) also exists. Why only one and not two or countless?
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“All that is per our 75 IQ understanding”

It’s per the work of a large number of people with 140+ IQs. The phrase “it’s not rocket science” is chucked about in common parlance. Well, this is literally rocket science (plus cosmology, plus planetary physics, evolutionary biology, plus astrobiology, plus some pretty serious statistical modelling, etc.). The people who have worked on these problems include the likes of Enrico Fermi (famously), Feynman, Kip Thorne, Adam Frank, Carl Sagan, etc. What we know (and don’t know) about the problem has in no small part been shaped by some of the greatest minds of the last few generations.

None of that, of course, has any bearing on the physical laws of our universe, which remain unchanged regardless of the IQs of the minds populating our corner of it. You could have a 10,000 IQ by today’s standards and it wouldn’t make any difference to the fact that you exist within a light cone, the regions outside which you will never be able to learn about. It won’t change the fact that to approach the speed of light, you’d need to generate an infinite (literally) amount of energy.

“Your experts assume intelligent life would be like us”

They don’t. Have a bit of a read on the field of astrobiology. Those groups (and it is usually groups) who have worked on these kind of wider problems usually include one or more astrobiologists.

“Secondly, you are again conflating the chances that intelligent life exists in the universe with chances that two intelligent civilisations become aware of each other.”

I made very clear at the start of all of this that the maths suggests that there probably is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. But that the likelihood is that we’ll never be able to confirm that, because the chances of us being close enough to receive information from any such intelligent life is very small.

“Why only one and not two or countless?”

Off on a bit of a tangent, but working in more than one direction - from GR or from quantum theory - the maths point to somewhere between a very large number and an infinite number of other universes. Whether or not those universes might be able interact with each other (on an informational basis) is another matter. The most plausible way according to GR would be via white holes, as mentioned above.

comment by Mamba - I filter right back (U1282)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
With the universe being as large as it is there’s every chance that not only are there ‘aliens’ out there but there are infinite alternative versions of us making infinite choices that would blow our mind if we really grasped how many different versions of us there were ( see RDD for an example).

I read this theory that was interesting /reassuring that we never really die until our old age. That for example if you were in a plane that crashed you would just slip into another version of your life without even knowing the plane ever crashed. The people in that OG world would mourn your death but you’d just never know and keep going. Same for car crashes etc.
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Interesting?

Do you mean interesting in that it is ridiculous?

comment by Mamba - I filter right back (U1282)
posted 49 minutes ago
Also, Einstein's theory of relativity says faster than light travel is impossible but it also predicts the existence of wormholes, which are hypothetical structures that connect distant points in space-time.


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General relativity certainly allows for the existence of wormholes, yes (again, see white holes). We aren’t talking about the kind of fun-tunnel you commonly see in cheap sci-fi movies though

The only kind of ‘portal’ we’ve observed that could possibly represent one end of a wormhole would be a black hole. And GR says that once you’re in one of those, you aren’t ever coming back out again. (It also says that you’d necessarily be ripped to pieces a long time before you reached the event horizon.)

We haven’t yet observed any other kind of portal, and iirc, even the kind of matter/energy which would be required to support a (theoretically) stable wormhole.

(Fun aside: quantum theory predicts that what are effectively very, very small, i.e. quantum scale, wormholes are appearing and disappearing *all the time* and everywhere.)

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Mamba - I filter right back (U1282)
posted 49 minutes ago
Also, Einstein's theory of relativity says faster than light travel is impossible but it also predicts the existence of wormholes, which are hypothetical structures that connect distant points in space-time.


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General relativity certainly allows for the existence of wormholes, yes (again, see white holes). We aren’t talking about the kind of fun-tunnel you commonly see in cheap sci-fi movies though

The only kind of ‘portal’ we’ve observed that could possibly represent one end of a wormhole would be a black hole. And GR says that once you’re in one of those, you aren’t ever coming back out again. (It also says that you’d necessarily be ripped to pieces a long time before you reached the event horizon.)

We haven’t yet observed any other kind of portal, and iirc, even the kind of matter/energy which would be required to support a (theoretically) stable wormhole.

(Fun aside: quantum theory predicts that what are effectively very, very small, i.e. quantum scale, wormholes are appearing and disappearing *all the time* and everywhere.)
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I think Barrys head has held one and still does

I love how people want these drones to be aliens rather than some very simple logical explanation

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 13 minutes ago
I love how people want these drones to be aliens rather than some very simple logical explanation
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Back to the aforementioned Occam‘s Razor. More likely than not, in most cases at least, local amateurs/ antagonists mucking about.

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 20 minutes ago
I love how people want these drones to be aliens rather than some very simple logical explanation
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In similar to vein to the Aztecs, that's because they're not expecting the Spanish Inquisition.