Watching the team last night, I think we as Spurs supporters need to change our perspective in regard to how the team is progressing.
Whilst it is nice to have a team full of star players, this season and to a degree last season has shown us how things can change due to injuries, suspensions etc.
This season has been particularly brutal in terms of injuries and also suspensions, but as supporters we need to understand that it is almost impossible to challenge at the top without the presence of our senior players.
I still cannot see how Bentancur can get a seven match suspension for an innocent comment, and that Wolves’s Cunha only got a two match suspension after assaulting a security person and breaking his glasses. Originally it was a three match suspension reduced by one because he apologised and paid for new glasses.
Well if I remembered correctly, the only people hurt by Bentancur’s comment was the woke brigade. Son accepted his apology and also that Bentancur did not mean to cause offence.
So it seems that the spoken word hurts more than a physical assault🤔
And before any “woke" individuals on here get their knickers in a twist, I am not in any way condoning any comments that are racist or extremely offensive.
Finally, our best players last night were Bergvali Kinsky, Dragusin, Gray and Solanke with all of them being outstanding. The future is bright and if we can just keep our senior players fit then we can move in the right direction under Ange.
Incidentally I think Kinsky’s debut was an outstanding one and he certainly didn’t perform like someone playing his first game 3 days after joining us. His distribution was excellent and once he gets used to sorting out the line ups for free kicks I think he could indeed push Vicario to be our No 1 keeper.Looks like a real keeper for the club. (No pun intended)
So let’s get behind the players and Ange and turn over both Tamworth and Arsenal in the next 7 days. COYS
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What he said was absolutely racist, in fact a classic racist trope.
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Disagree. Classic racist trope is the N word or P word. He didn't say anything like that. He was talking about his cousin looking like him. A cousin is a relative by the way. Imagine someone commenting on a relative looking the same!
Woke chit
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You don’t even know what woke means. Like most people who bandy the word around.
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It means getting your flaps out and overracting to a simple comment.
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Wrong.
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Not in your case
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Wasting your time Luka……..sizzle has his own agenda and sensible debate is not his style.
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You used the term "Woke Brigade". How is that sensible debate?
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I didn’t use the term “Woke Brigade”
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This is why he got a 7 match ban, so people get the f*cking message.
I forget how ignorant most of you are.
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Now we see the real sizzle…………insults rather than objective debate!
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last night shows Ange is willing to change the full on high line tactic and it worked. He has also adjusted his formation last few games.
Maybe he is not just a one tactic manager and will change/adapt/modify when required.
So maybe just maybe we my progress with him ......
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We still had a high line. And so did LFC and it was fun to see us score 2 goals (1 marginally offside) with a ball over the top.
And this is what grinds my gears so often about the way fans and pundits characterise our issues.
We're fools for playing a high line apparently. No one even mentioned LFC being opened up twice by us in this way.
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Well you only opened us up once, because we used our offside trap for the first one, so it was well defended.
The second one, we didn't have Tsimikas on the field meaning we were a man down in defence (wonder why...).
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What he said was absolutely racist, in fact a classic racist trope.
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Disagree. Classic racist trope is the N word or P word. He didn't say anything like that. He was talking about his cousin looking like him. A cousin is a relative by the way. Imagine someone commenting on a relative looking the same!
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You don’t even know what woke means. Like most people who bandy the word around.
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It means getting your flaps out and overracting to a simple comment.
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Wrong.
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Not in your case
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Wasting your time Luka……..sizzle has his own agenda and sensible debate is not his style.
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You used the term "Woke Brigade". How is that sensible debate?
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I didn’t use the term “Woke Brigade”
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Apologies I did mention woke brigade, but are we not allowed to call it that? Debate is about people’s perceptions and opinions, or do people also get upset over being called woke?
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This is why he got a 7 match ban, so people get the f*cking message.
I forget how ignorant most of you are.
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Now we see the real sizzle…………insults rather than objective debate!
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The only people who don’t think what he said was racist, are other racists.
Fact.
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This is why he got a 7 match ban, so people get the f*cking message.
I forget how ignorant most of you are.
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Now we see the real sizzle…………insults rather than objective debate!
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The only people who don’t think what he said was racist, are other racists.
Fact.
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Again calling people who are of a different opinion to you racists is pretty disgusting in my book.
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What he said was absolutely racist, in fact a classic racist trope.
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Disagree. Classic racist trope is the N word or P word. He didn't say anything like that. He was talking about his cousin looking like him. A cousin is a relative by the way. Imagine someone commenting on a relative looking the same!
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You don’t even know what woke means. Like most people who bandy the word around.
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It means getting your flaps out and overracting to a simple comment.
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Wrong.
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Not in your case
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Wasting your time Luka……..sizzle has his own agenda and sensible debate is not his style.
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You used the term "Woke Brigade". How is that sensible debate?
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I didn’t use the term “Woke Brigade”
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Apologies I did mention woke brigade, but are we not allowed to call it that? Debate is about people’s perceptions and opinions, or do people also get upset over being called woke?
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I think the point he's making, is that your probably trying to use 'woke' as an insult, which RW papers and news have been doing for a while....whilst not actually understanding what it means...because being 'woke' (aware of the world...) is not a bad thing.
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What he said was absolutely racist, in fact a classic racist trope.
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Disagree. Classic racist trope is the N word or P word. He didn't say anything like that. He was talking about his cousin looking like him. A cousin is a relative by the way. Imagine someone commenting on a relative looking the same!
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You don’t even know what woke means. Like most people who bandy the word around.
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It means getting your flaps out and overracting to a simple comment.
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Wrong.
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Not in your case
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Wasting your time Luka……..sizzle has his own agenda and sensible debate is not his style.
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You used the term "Woke Brigade". How is that sensible debate?
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I didn’t use the term “Woke Brigade”
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Apologies I did mention woke brigade, but are we not allowed to call it that? Debate is about people’s perceptions and opinions, or do people also get upset over being called woke?
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The word Woke has been weaponised so that racists can justify their drivel. It's true meaning has been lost to many. I think that's what people find annoying.
There was no wide outrage at what Bents said, despite you thinking there was. What he said was wrong, which he admitted, but to say "The Woke Brigade" were up in arms is simply inaccurate. The ban imposed was harsh but I think it was meant to be a message to people who use terms like Woke Brigade, that sometimes you just need to be a bit more mindful when shooting your mouth off. It doesn't mean you can't have an opinion but just accept that someone, somewhere may not like it.
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What he said was absolutely racist, in fact a classic racist trope.
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Disagree. Classic racist trope is the N word or P word. He didn't say anything like that. He was talking about his cousin looking like him. A cousin is a relative by the way. Imagine someone commenting on a relative looking the same!
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one persons racist trope is anothers lazy sterotype.
The Americans characterise us Brits as having bad teeth. Comedy like Austin Powers sends up this stereo-type. The Brits mock the Scots for eating deep fried mars bars and being tight fiiisted with money.
But if you called said "typical tight fiiisted Jew" or sang a song about a Korean player eating dogs (Park at Utd had one like this), then its causing offence to a nation.
The nuance and intent of what people are saying is now ignored and just shoved in the Racist bracket.
Not defending Bentancur here, just challenging how such minor situations should be properly assessed in the interest of keeping the severity of such issues and the punishment in perspective. For me a very harsh zero tolerance will only promote a reaction against it.
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I think a lot of it is hierarchical. English, Scots, Americans live culturally in the same sphere with the same privileges. Using those same Austin Powers style jokes about black people, for example, is unacceptable because, not only is it deeply offensive, it carries the weight of centuries of persecution and abuses with it.
Technically you could argue that the pure physical characteristics of an Asian person, specifically South-East Asian, are more narrow than those in Europe. There are no natural blue-eyed blondes in Asia so there are legitimate grounds for that kind of truth-telling. That said, you know that it's deemed offensive. You know it's a lazy steroetype, so maybe don't say it. It's a bit like the P-word. That, in and of itself, should not be offensive, just as 'Brit' isn't. The problem is that the word has been hijacked by those looking to deeply offend so its association with racism is intrinsically linked.
I think rather than focus on why it offends, the focus should be on the fact that it DOES offend, and therefore shouldn't be fought against. As a white European, why should I have any right over deciding what is and isn't offensive to those from ethnic minorities. If I did then we'd be perpetuating the same racist tropes over and over again.
I'm with Automatic on this. People might think he's overreacting but fundamentally, for a more progressive society, he's right. We can't let lazy racist stereotypes slide, even if they're not meant with initial offence. That's what makes this country a better place to live, frankly.
I was angry with the ban initially but I've come to realise that whilst it's harsh, it's not something that should be fought against. You just have to take your medicine and accept it as a learning curve.