So, no new keeper then …

There is an interesting question here, why is there such discontent when so many data points show we're doing se well?

Why?

Well, the football is boring.
We make things far harder than we should.
We've had so many generational talents that just havent been.
We overhype players coming in.
We seem have had more than our fair share of players who spend so much of career with us injured
We seem to have had lots of players who just don't make the grade
We've seen our team fall at final hurdle so many times.

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 minutes ago

There is an interesting question here, why is there such discontent when so many data points show we're doing se well?

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doubt this specific to Leeds fans only... but we do have a history of absolute carve ups... whilst I don't agree with all the negativity (mainly because we are top of the league)... I can understand it.

not much we do tho, lets just 'try' to enjoy the ride... tis a bumpy one - lets be honest, we wouldn;t have it any other way

ALAW

I understand about it been boring.

I dont fully agree, in the sense, we always try to go for the wins.

Its just every team, parks the bus, and so its same every week. It does end up been boring.

But I also got bored watched Man city and Barca. You virtually know how the game will pan out.

Did you miss off perhaps other reasons why there is so much discontent?

Many teams don't taste success. Success is shared among a low percentage of teams. For us, do the legacy memories of our successful years, be it Revie, Wilkinson, San Siro or Bielsa, amplify the demands and expectations of fans today?

Do these tastes of success in the past clash/couple with the 'want it now' culture/expectancy of today?

And those expectations are forever growing ...

....we're top of the league. "Not good enough. We should have more points"
... we're 6 point clear... "we should be confirmed by now" (March!)
...we get promoted, we'll want mid table, 1st season
...we're mid-table, next year it's top 6, then Europe and champions league within a year or two.


Fans of teams who haven't tasted the success that we have just don't think like us.

Our expectations crush us, and each of us to different levels. You can see it with the range of posters on here, from the Lowfield/Donns.... right through to the 'happy clappers (love that expression 😊). And both ends of that spectrum are probably wrong - there's only a few who say 'enjoy the ride, wherever it may take us. Maybe we should all be like that, but we know we can't be...cos we are Leeds .. the emotional, the loyal and steadfast, the demanding, the expectant..... but not, perhaps, the most patient!

But I also got bored watched Man city and Barca. You virtually know how the game will pan out.

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thats true tbf that... you sit down expecting it everytime, some great football on show, great players... its actually 90 mins of of them short passing it to each other,

or so it seems, I'm sure there's a lot more going on behind the scenes tbf

comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 31 minutes ago
Did you miss off perhaps other reasons why there is so much discontent?

Many teams don't taste success. Success is shared among a low percentage of teams. For us, do the legacy memories of our successful years, be it Revie, Wilkinson, San Siro or Bielsa, amplify the demands and expectations of fans today?

Do these tastes of success in the past clash/couple with the 'want it now' culture/expectancy of today?

And those expectations are forever growing ...

....we're top of the league. "Not good enough. We should have more points"
... we're 6 point clear... "we should be confirmed by now" (March!)
...we get promoted, we'll want mid table, 1st season
...we're mid-table, next year it's top 6, then Europe and champions league within a year or two.


Fans of teams who haven't tasted the success that we have just don't think like us.

Our expectations crush us, and each of us to different levels. You can see it with the range of posters on here, from the Lowfield/Donns.... right through to the 'happy clappers (love that expression 😊). And both ends of that spectrum are probably wrong - there's only a few who say 'enjoy the ride, wherever it may take us. Maybe we should all be like that, but we know we can't be...cos we are Leeds .. the emotional, the loyal and steadfast, the demanding, the expectant..... but not, perhaps, the most patient!

Best comment I have read for a long time.


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Interesting debate. I agree with Wakey, I find Man City boring too. And i agree that it's the other teams parking the bus that are largely responsible for making our games boring.

There are people who can appreciate the quality of possession based football, but most want excitement.

Ironically most leeds fans hated marsh's red bull methods, but most fans of other clubs I spoke to enjoyed watching the basketball, high energy, forced-error type games it often led to.

As said, we're one of a number of clubs who've experienced the highs of football but don't have them at the moment - and expectations will always be higher.
We also had years in the doldrums lifted by Bielsa. I think the Bielsa dream has changed expectations (exciting football and successful). We could only dream of being top of the league 10 years ago. Now we have to be top by 10 points playing electric football or half the fans are fed up.

I'm happy with where we are, and with the football we try to play, and think Farke's done well. I don't agree with him re Meslier (if what he said is what he really thinks, rather than PR exercise) but it's his choice to make and he'll live or die by it.