VAR?

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 14 seconds ago
Anyway, like i said, this is easily fixed if they stick to the clear and obvious rule. Three minutes to make a decision isn't clear and obvious. That is where this all goes wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The average time for a VAR check was 64 seconds last season. This includes the longer checks for tight offsides which clear and obvious doesn't apply to since they're factual calls.

This is expected to reduce further as semi-automated offside checks are being introduced shortly, for some reason part way through the season.

They predict after this is introduced the average time for a VAR check will be around 30 seconds.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Then we shall see.

And 64 seconds average isn't good by the way.

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 14 seconds ago
Anyway, like i said, this is easily fixed if they stick to the clear and obvious rule. Three minutes to make a decision isn't clear and obvious. That is where this all goes wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The average time for a VAR check was 64 seconds last season. This includes the longer checks for tight offsides which clear and obvious doesn't apply to since they're factual calls.

This is expected to reduce further as semi-automated offside checks are being introduced shortly, for some reason part way through the season.

They predict after this is introduced the average time for a VAR check will be around 30 seconds.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Then we shall see.

And 64 seconds average isn't good by the way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, 64 seconds is poor and needs to be improved upon, which it will be when semi-automated offsides come in. The time actually increased by around 20 seconds on the previous season. I'm guessing they were briefed to take more time to make sure the decision is correct. The Diaz goal against Spurs was probably a major part of this reasoning, as an example.

People seem to forget that pre VAR, pretty much every weekend was filled with tears and complaints about the refs.

VAR is by no means perfect but the types of miatakes it removes and the rates it's brought the drama down is significant.

People are crazy fickle though a fn seem to bounce from one week to the next with a different idea of the world.

It was a clusterf+'#& pre VAR. My entire upbringing was on people's tears about referees.

It's better now. It isn't my opinion, it's simply reality. Perfect? No. Better? Much. Most people are emotional little wobbles though and rational thinking is in short supply, especially amongst football fans. Probably one of the most fickle, emotional, dense demographics about.

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 14 seconds ago
Anyway, like i said, this is easily fixed if they stick to the clear and obvious rule. Three minutes to make a decision isn't clear and obvious. That is where this all goes wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The average time for a VAR check was 64 seconds last season. This includes the longer checks for tight offsides which clear and obvious doesn't apply to since they're factual calls.

This is expected to reduce further as semi-automated offside checks are being introduced shortly, for some reason part way through the season.

They predict after this is introduced the average time for a VAR check will be around 30 seconds.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Then we shall see.

And 64 seconds average isn't good by the way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only about a quarter of the time it takes Arsenal to take a corner, tbf.

It amazes me that people talk about ‘clear and obvious’ as if it’s a solution.

Who decides what is clear and obvious? It’s just moving one subjective call to another.

In its current guise, VAR can’t work efficiently. And there will be lots of grumbles about it. It’s impossible for it to be any other way.

Also the modern social media increased false information and tribalism (spread onto here) doesn't help with fans' perception of whether a decision is correct or not.

This makes non VAR football more divisive in modern times.


A refusal to take on information that goes against how they feel about a decision. This mirrors the modern social media culture wars.

I just wish the var people would follow rugby’s example.

The ref and “var” people are miked up and relayed through the ground PA system. Any video examination is done on the big screen/scoreboard. The ref can state what his on-field decision is, request replays etc and will often ask “Is there any reason why I can’t allow the try ( goal)”.
The ref doesn’t feel as if his capability is being questioned nor that he is being undermined.
The entire crowd and all the players can see and hear exactly what’s going on, and it’s up to the ref to decide. His decision is final.
Also, no players get around the ref trying to influence him, because he’s just going to yellow card anyone that does.
It works brilliantly compared to the farce we have in football.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
It amazes me that people talk about ‘clear and obvious’ as if it’s a solution.

Who decides what is clear and obvious? It’s just moving one subjective call to another.

In its current guise, VAR can’t work efficiently. And there will be lots of grumbles about it. It’s impossible for it to be any other way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Clear and obvious is a solution.

If they have to look at the issue more than once or at max twice then it isn't clear and obvious is it. Was he off, dunno lets line it up draw feckin lines everywhere, zoom in, rotate the screen, check club badge etc.

Winston, are you still opposed to VAR? I imagined you'd have changed your mind by now, given your propensity to be persuaded in the course of debate with fellow supporters.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
Winston, are you still opposed to VAR? I imagined you'd have changed your mind by now, given your propensity to be persuaded in the course of debate with fellow supporters.
----------------------------------------------------------------------