IF we go down under coyle..

JAH did you believe that coyle was responsible for keeping us up after megson left? Did you suggest coyle had got us up to 8th etc at points last season? Or was it down to megsons signings or us being lucky in games? If the answer to the beginning is yes then why can't you acknowledge that when it's good you take the credit and when it's bad you take the blame. That's the job of the manager. The saf stand is named at old Trafford so because saf played a part in winning trophies as much as avram grant was sacked because west ham were poor last season.

Spurs are currently the second best team on form in the league, so we were always up against it, but we will never know now because Atwell ruined it. Unless you know something that I don't Pet?

No but my point is we were not playing like a team that was going to win but fair point we did not know

Tbf, if we had beat spurs it would have been an upset. They are much better than us and there bench was better than us. Was sad to see no fight in the boys, don't mind being beat by these boys aslong as they fight. Wjen things go wrong, we don't have this under Coyle this season.

I wish coyle had a plan b. It takes a team to prepare for our plan a and we are just lost. Why will the players not fight for coyle. He looks to have all the kevin Keegan school of management enthusiasm but just can't get it through to the players.

Kevin Keegan might be a good-way of describing Coyle, legend from when he played for the club, if he did go i would still love the bloke as they do up in geordie land, but can he cut it as the manager, i simply do not know.

Dan, I have a joke to insert there:
I'm starting to take this drink driving thing seriously now. Left the car at the pub last night and took the bus home. Quite proud of myself really. I've never driven a bus before...

Maybe put a smile on some of uz faces

Ah Pet, in answer to your point: (just as an aside, calling you pet is just me trying to save my typing and not intended to belittle you. Reminds me of Blackadder 4 and Captain Darling, BAHHHHHH! Ha ha!)

The reason why OC will get the whole of this season to turn it around is because of the incredible bad luck he has had this year. If he had his 1st team at his disposal and we were still down in the relegation zone the board would not hesitate in sacking him, but when we are playing with our 2nd and 3rd string players who can't perform to the level expected common sense prevails and people such as me, the board and many others cut him some slack. We have seen enough good over the last 2 years to know that he is a good manager given a fully fit 1st team at his disposal.

"JAH did you believe that coyle was responsible for keeping us up after Megson left?"
- Megson failed to get a single clean sheet in that season and OC gave the players belief that they could play and get out of the situation they were in. Suddenly Zat Knight started to look like he could play football. 

"Did you suggest coyle had got us up to 8th etc at points last season? Or was it down to megsons signings or us being lucky in games?"
(You guys need to stop with this Megson thing. He's long gone and it's only you guys that keep on bringing it up!)
- The whole club got us up to 8th, not one individual. Players, Managment and fans. I'm not having you do me out of the credit because I played my part and helped by getting behind the team! OC did not single handily get us there. 
- I can't remember a number of specific 'good luck' instances that affected that season for the positive, but I'm all ears if you have any. I can give you a load of bad luck instances from this season tho.

" If the answer to the beginning is yes then why can't you acknowledge that when it's good you take the credit and when it's bad you take the blame. That's the job of the manager."
- no that's not the job of a manager at all and explains why you call for him to be sacked. A manager's job is to manage. Results are the by-product and there isn't instances where you can show me when he has taken the credit for good performances because he doesn't do that. It is you that credit him with good performances and blame him for bad ones. 

Again, if OC had not had the long list of injuries and bad luck this season and we were still down the bottom of the league then and only then would there be a justification to replace him; not before.

Well said Holdy

Bolton stayed up after Megson went because they had the impetus of getting a new manager - and that always gees up any club - regardless of who that person is. The team Owen inherited was always a bit too good to go down anyway, and that, coupled with a new face in charge, made all the difference. I'm not demeaning anything that OC has done, just pointing out that a 'change at the top ' usually brings fresh momentum. OOf course, that re-invigoration doesn't last forever ...... and perhaps ran out for us at the beginning of 2011. A bad injury list has contributed without doubt, but it's not the whole story of what's going wrong at for us at the moment. I think PG is tryin' to buy some time for Owen, and really does rate him ....but if we're still in the bottom 2 come early January, I wouldn't be surprised to see a managerial change. Can someone else do better with the squad we have? I don't know ...but relegation is a high price to pay for doing ...nothing. The chances of coming straight back up are pretty low - no matter who's in charge ( how many clubs of our size ...and bigger ...have gone down ...and stayed down? ) so I don't think that will be a huge factor in deciding whether to stick or twist ....