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CutMe,

PS I am not suggesting Liverpool were in this exact position

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Well i'm glad you put that bit, because this is the main point.

Liverpool were in a position that meant they were unlikley to finish where you claim they were genuine contenders to do so. This is why the final position is very important still. It proves beyond doubt what i was saying initially, afterwards, at the end of the season & now.

If someone or some team were not in genuine contention for whatever the goal is/was, then they are not/were not genuine contenders.

'Liverpool were in a position that meant they were unlikley to finish where you claim they were genuine contenders to do so. This is why the final position is very important still. It proves beyond doubt what i was saying initially, afterwards, at the end of the season & now'

Whether they were or weren't genuine contenders is a matter for debate - your opinion is as valid as mine. What is not up for debate is whether the final outcome has any bearing on their contention at the point of the initial discussion. It proves nothing other than your prediction.

'If someone or some team were not in genuine contention for whatever the goal is/was, then they are not/were not genuine contenders.'

That makes no sence! If you were in contention then you were - if you weren't you weren't! If you are in contention you are - if you aren't your aren't. If you were in contention doesn't mean you can't move out of contention at some point and visa versa!

I agree you can move in & out of genuine contention, but again Liverpool never moved in contention, and the way in which the season progressed, where Liverpool regressed, proves again that my theories have been correct all along, at the start of the debate, during the season, at season end, and now.

'but again Liverpool never moved in contention'

Now you really are talking tosh, we were in the top three at the start end of the first month and never moved out of the top 6 for the first 3!! However, I this is your opinion and you are entitiles to it.

'proves again that my theories have been correct all along, at the start of the debate, during the season, at season end, and now.'

Your PREDICTIONS were correct, your therories may have turned out to be correct - still doen't change the fact that at that point in time we were contender

CutMe,

Now you really are talking tosh, we were in the top three at the start end of the first month

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You are claiming to be genuine contenders after 1 month, and then have the front to say i'm talking tosh.

Come off it.

Plus, didnt this debate start in January, so why is the first month even relevant (or the first 3)?

Quote: but again Liverpool never moved in contention

The word 'never' suggests you were talking the whole season! And why can't a team be genuine contenders after a month if they can before the season even starts! It's a live stat that changes as the season goes on - some will come into contention, others will drop out (as we did)

I'm not saying they couldnt have been in contention after a month, my point was more to do with the fact the debate was in January when, in my mind, and was proven, the gap was too big & was only going to get bigger.

Which it did.

What do you think of 'Arry going then? I'd be gutted, seems a very odd decision!

CutMe,

I'm fuming. Very strange call. I'm not bringing up old debates, but he reached 4th (our highest ever Prem position) TWICE in 3 years, then gets sacked.

Crazy. I'm very disappointed right now.

Crazy! I felt the same about Kenny, although that was down to the amount of time he was given rather than his recent success rate in the league

Who do you think will replace him?