This summer

We've prob been offered a couple of mil for him

I think the reason Velios doesn't get a game is because Saha does.

How about this for negativity. Based on current form and lack of leadership I cannot see us getting a single point from our next 6 league games. We need another 17 or 18 points for safety and I just cannot see us getting them, thus relying on teams below us continuing to perform worse. I hope that isn't the case but fear the worse.

When we finally get relegated we will get investment, it's on the cards

Have i just stumbled onto the negative post? No points and getting relegated?

Yesterday was poor, but finally Moyes was critical of his players.

I prefer to look at the positive performance of Duffy in a tricky game at home. Well played fella.

Look far be it from me to criticise arm chair critics but in all 18 games I have attended this season, yesterday has to be one of the worse. Yes Cahill played better but only in comparison to how he has been playing, Fellaini is just a big lump, he cannot tackle because his timing is awful, he passes like a crab and every time he jumps just look at his elbows, we are lucky he does not get picked up far more than he does. Phil is now far to slow and should be given the coaching job he deserves. Give the younger lads their chance, it is about the right time now as we have 26 points and as hard as it is going to get I believe the youngsters have a better chance of getting the 17 points we need.

Who are the armchair fans?

Duffy was the only bright point of a very dull performance. His little cushioned header back to Howard in the first half under pressure showed a bit of skill and balls.

Donovan looked like he had his boots on the wrong feet and Royston ...........well the less said the better.

How the mighty have fallen