PL & CL

>>Does that mean Fabregas is more than twice the player Modric is?

he is

but your point is correct that transfer fees don't perfectly reflect ability

Thats a valid point Bales, but that has its own issues.

i think a better example than City is Arsenal. They seem to pay some of their younger/fringe players great wages, but then when they don't pan out to be the player they'd hope they then have trouble shifting them onto another club because tjhey earn a good wage at Arsenal, so why would they leave. City have the same issue with Bridge, but City can afford to have this noose around their neck, Arsenal can't

No, im not suggesting value of the player is relative to how good they are.

What I am saying is that would we let a player like VDV go for a fee like that (especially a cut price fee). The only way we'd do that is if we had a squad full of great players. Which is exacty what RM have.

messiaharry,

Sorry dipping in and out of work here, yeah Chicken thats my point. The fact that we value him so highly as a player, he walks onto our team. Totally surplus to Real.

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But what about Pique, who was surplus to Man Utd - now at the heart of the Barca defence?

Robinho, surplus at City. KPB surplus at Spurs etc etc

How does that work?

There is always going to be fall-outs with managers, and other circumstances that leads to players being "surplus". This doesnt mean they are not good enough to get in their team.

Tevez has been "surplus" for ages now, but he would walk into most top clubs throughout Europe. And he would have cost less than Balotelli, Dzeko etc

I'm sorry, but that theory is flawed time & time again.

31 Moments

As i said, VDV was actually moving for £18m. It broke down at the last minute (probably because he is never & will never be fully fit), hence we gave them a gesture (£8m).

Ok, well you can use facts to prove anything.

Personally I don't think our league has got weaker, if anything it has got stronger, but this season three teams have had a bad season.

1- Arsenal - haven't replaced ones they have lost
2. Chelsea - Manager and player issues
3. Man Utd - Injuries and the start of several new players at the club.

I can't see how the blip will last more than a year or two. Arsenal and Chelsea will sort themselves out, Chelsea having the money to do so, and I won't rule out Arsenal just because.

Man Utd are still second in the league and thats with everything that has gone wrong, they'll be back doing well in next years CL.

Chicken, I wasn't actually agreeing with the comments, I was just saying what I thought they meant.

Player values and transfer are always going to be crazy and unrealiable to say who is better than whom.

I don't think we are weaker as a league, I just think its been a bad year.

31 Moments,

I agree 100% wit your last post. So i'm not sure how we were just debating against eachother 5 minutes ago.

(probably because he is never & will never be fully fit), hence we gave them a gesture (£8m).

but thats what im saying, a flawed player who walks into our team the 3rd best team in England atm

Sorry im not having it that the spanish league is weaker than the premiership. Not a chance.

messiaharry

Sorry im not having it that the spanish league is weaker than the premiership. Not a chance.

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How do you explain the Spanish league teams being consitently weaker in the CL then? If they were stronger, then surely English teams wouldn't have dominated the latter stages more than them.