I risk being attacked here, but I'm a little confused with all this racist stuff that's being talked about on a daily basis. I don't want to rehash all the Evra stuff, but part of me believes that if the taunt finds a deaf ear then the taunter loses his goal and may well cease to make such ridiculous and wrong comments.
I'm not saying that ignoring things will make the problem go away. Something should be done about fans that abuse players in any way.
This leads me to my point. I am if finding it difficult to see the difference between the abuse that our black players received last night, and indeed other black players on other occasions, and the abuse that some other players get.
We all know the chants about Rooney, Giggs and the Neville brothers that we all sing. Obscene chants to say the least. Chants about private life and the such are common place on most terraces. Is there any difference between those and the jeering balotelli got last night? Is this terrace "banter"?
Balotelli and Yaya are feared players. Jeering feared players is also common on ever terrace. Especially to a player like Balotelli who many love to hate due to his nature. Was the jeering those guys got purely racist? I don't know, I wasn't there and couldn't hear it on my feed. I suspect silva didn't receive the same, and yet surely he's feared more.
I guess it is mainly racism that prompts the jeering these players get. But doesn't Rooney, Beckham, Terry have the same right to complain about the taunts they receive?
Racist taunts?
posted on 17/2/12
Apparently, according to the Porto chaiman, the racist chants were actually City fans chanting "Kun, Kun, Kun."
You really couldn't make that up.
posted on 17/2/12
Leopold
posted on 17/2/12
Sure some of the chants to other players are not nice, but they are Banter, where as Racist abuse is still degrading a people with different coloured skin, its not banter its a way of saying your not good enough in the world to play football, you don't belong on a football field because you are black, its disgraceful, it should have been stamped out a long time ago, and if there is solid proof of racial chants then a team should be docked 20 points in the league and banned from European competitions for 3 years, that will get the fans to think twice before chanting these sick chants.
posted on 17/2/12
Docking teams 20 points is ridiculous. How do you know the chanters are fans of the club? What about gangs causing trouble at opponents grounds so they get docked 20 points?
posted on 17/2/12
Why would you call somebody loathsome if you don't even know them?
As for turncoat
Let me see now, I'm offered a job with a much better company, one of the best in the world, one of the most successful, one that offers me vastly better opportunites to get better at my chosen career and one that will see my wages go up by about 2000%, please tell me why I would stay where I am? Just one good reason and don't even think about loyalty!
posted on 17/2/12
"Why would you call somebody loathsome if you don't even know them?"
This is a man who taunts his fellow professionals. This is a man who swears at referees. This is a man who runs at the opposition's fans, kissing his badge. This is a man who thinks it's okay to stick an elbow in an opponents face, and yet waves an imaginary card at the ref every time an opponent deigns to make a tackle. This is a man who openly and arrogantly dismisses the competition.
I don't need to get to know him to find out he's an odious little man who would be nothing were it not for the fact that he happens to be good at football.
"As for turncoat"
He pledged his loyalty to Everton and then moved to United almost immediately and now displays the same badge-kissing loyalty. Classic definition of "turncoat", that. Like Mussolini, only with less hair
"Let me see now, I'm offered a job with a much better company, one of the best in the world, one of the most successful, one that offers me vastly better opportunites to get better at my chosen career and one that will see my wages go up by about 2000%, please tell me why I would stay where I am? Just one good reason and don't even think about loyalty!"
Just one question: Have you recently, publicly declared your loyalty to your present employer? No? Then go with my blessing. And if there's any other jobs going there, let me know as I could do with a big pay rise as well
posted on 17/2/12
It is just a job to them though leopold. The badge kissing antics - that's just giving the paying audience the kind of thing they enjoy seeing.
And the day my employer regards your everyday worker as an asset as opposed to merely an employee will be the day when such a comparison becomes apt.
posted on 17/2/12
To be fair I remember city fans singing;
"Did your brother wânk you off"
To John Fashanu just after Justin had killed himself. We all know how mush of a tösser fash was on and off the pitch - but nobody deserves that! I remember feeling very disappointed in that minority of fans...and I was only a kid!
posted on 18/2/12
Some of the comments on this thread are unreal. Comments based on someone's colour have nothing to do with football banter. Racism has more prominence in our society because it has had a terrible past and people have had to endure a lot just because of their skin colour. May be in another 100 years time it will become same as discrimination based on looks, hair colour etc. However there are still people alive today who have had to fight just for their dignity.
And comments like 'ego driven overacting of players like Ballotelli and Evra' are totally despicable. I can understand why anyone wouldn't like Balotelli and Evra, I have no problems with that. But to suggest that they should accept it all, give no reaction and then wait for the lack of reaction to somehow diappoint the perpetrators, its just totally ridiculous. We have rules and laws in our society for a reason. Yes nobody is getting hurt if a crowd is abusing a black player, but think of all the damage it does to young kids who may start accpetig it as normal behaviour. Or even adults who think anything done in a crowd is okay because they cannot be held individually responsible?
So the next time someone passes a comment or discriminates against you becuase of your skin colour, height, looks, intelligence, wealth, disability etc apply your own remedy. Do not react. And don't even think of reporting. You are going to make the world a better place.
posted on 18/2/12
wicked games (U6573)
Fair enough but in this case Mario didn't react or pass comment and Yaya merely brushed the matter aside.
What has annoyed a lot of people is the fact that Porto have basically ignored the matter as if it's something of miniscule importance, same as the Spanish did after SWP was subject to abuse in Madrid.