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Game sequels that didn't improve...

What games do you feel didn't improve??

For me, Round 3 is the best Fight Night to date... graphics improved on Fight Night Round 4 but the game didn't excite me as much. The training and general gameplay on FN3 was much better in my opinion.

Another is Pro Evolution Soccer 7... up until Pro 6 I was an avid fan of the game and on the other side of the classic argument between Fifa-Pro - until I played Fifa 08 (which amazes me that people still argue about it today, Fifa have gone clear) it completely blew away Pro.

Pro 7 wasn't much of an improvement and only just improved the graphics (a recurring theme and only good thing about games that backslide) but Fifa really upped their gameplay.

These are the only games I can think of for now, over to you....

comment by RtM (U1097)

posted on 12/3/12

I still think Soul Calibur was the best in the series although I've yet to play the latest release

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 12/3/12

Soul Calibur 2 was great

comment by RtM (U1097)

posted on 12/3/12

That it was but I found myself trying to learn every crevice there was in the original. I also felt there was more extra content ie artwork. It also seemed so far ahead of everything else at the time it was released.

posted on 12/3/12

I still maintain Morrowind was better than Oblivion and Skyrim.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 12/3/12

Yeah the story mode was completely different to tekken (which was the only other fighting game i played). it was an actual career. loved it.

comment by RtM (U1097)

posted on 12/3/12

I agree with that also. The elder scrolls seem to be taking a more "realistic" approach with each game and the worlds feel much less magical. Also, theyre trying to streamline the game as much as possible to make way for the mainstream yet alienating the rpg fans. Quality games but I'd like my fantasy games to have more fantasy

posted on 12/3/12

simon
I've played Bf on and off since the original 1942 came out on PC. Good times. Was a welcome distraction from Counter Strike, as by that time, CS was on the wane. Perseverance more than anything kept me enjoying what little i did past V. 1.6.

CS did however provide, for me, the benchmark in what a war shooter should be, at the time certainly. Obviously the games have moved on and CS became dated but it done something that has lasted with me.

It provided some sport

Don't get me wrong, CS, like any good game, was unbelievably frustrating, but overall it was exciting and fun, for a time at least.

The duels were immense...............RATTA TAT TATA RATTA TAT TAT TAT....click...click......click.....click - "oh lalalala"



THEN.....


Out with the pistol....boom boom boom boom "TERRORISTS WIN"

Phew...deep breath, lower the heartrate





Call of Duty, for all of the beast that it has become in the last few years, did start off as a fantastic FPS game and the guns battles were a direct continuation of CS by the time CoD4 (MW1) and WaW came long. Often you'd be in no mans land, an enemy bearing down and you trying to get into cover, but once you were engaged, you had to get yourself out of it.


And so it went like it did in counter strike, empty the rifle and finish each other off with the pistol.

SPORT!!!!

Bad Company 2 was the first i played since 1942 and admittedly, i got round to it late, more through not having XBlive for a long time. I played the demo at a friends A LOT but once i got down, the old feelings of getting into a gun scrap and coming away with nothing more than the remains of yer bowel movements holding yer gear together was still there.

This is where BC2 excelled for me, after the 2 hours i gave MW2, because it gave you a chance. The good guys are always gonna be good, and sometimes i was good as well, but even good guys have an off day, and it gave you a chance. It had a degree of sport about it. The awesomeness of vehicles, destruction, team play and the sheer hilariousness of them all combined notwithstanding, the gunplay kept me at it. Surely this is the bread an butter of it all, cos if it ain't much at shooting, its not much of a shooter is it? Rhetorical. No high horses please

The flip side of it was MW2 and Black Ops (which i bought cos all the boys were playing it and i decided to so i could play with them. It got 15 hours max before i sold it).
Upon first playing MW2 i found myself scratching my head at how i was able to die so quickly, i mean as soon as you see someone its game over. After an hour i got a feel for it and started to fight back. But i was bored. 2/3 bullets everytime, respawn repeat. I never went back. A wee test i did at the time was i stood about 6 feet from a wall with an assault rifle and went full auto. After unloading a full clip there was nothing but a small uneven circle facing me. The most erratic assault weapons had next to no recoil.
Ah well. Laters

When i later bought black ops, i took it for what it was. Deathmatch. Pure and simple. Like Unreal or Quake. And i enjoyed it a wee bit, i'll admit, but it had no depth. BC2 was far and away the classier and more inventive shooter. Tactics and strategy seemed to make a difference (to my fragile soul) that running around and having a hair trigger couldn't match.


And so we come to the recent. Battlefield 3 is, let me say, a top game. The air vehicles are tougher (harder to do the chopper strafe) there's more unlock (what BC2 was painfully lacking), auto-balance (same), tasty graphics most of the time, big epic battles in both land and air, more guns, suits, rockets, jeeps etc etc etc etc
But for one thing.

There's no sport in the gunplay.

Its 2/3 bullets almost every time.

When was the last time you or you saw someone pull out the pistol after emptying a clip and coming away the victor? Once or twice for me, and once or twice i've seen it. Sure, there's guys who are crackshots with a pistol as there have always been throughout these types of games but they run around with it out all the time, often snipers. But when does the combination work in Battlefield 3 with any consistency?

A game flawed by the CoDification of the one on ones. Its oft been mooted between friends and i that we go back to BC2. I'd rather not, i want to move on and get totally immersed in the new one, but i'm stuck. I only want to play it because of the vehicles. In any map where there few, the gunplay shows it up for what it is: An attempt by DICE (but more likely EA cos they like to stick their nose in to the creative process) to shoot for the dollar. Get the CoDder's on board and watch the cash roll in.

I'm really sick of this 2 bullet lalalala every time i engage the enemy on foot. At least put a bit of sport back into it...please DICE, bring back the game it once was.

Not that i think they read this stuff, but i can only hope that it gets patched.
A freind called me today. He's recently been made unemployed so can't afford all the latest stuff to be released.

He said "I'm really not enjoying BF3 mate, its all over far too quickly, you can't build up a rhythm. I'm thinking i'll sell it to get skyrim so that i'm at least enjoying something"

"I know, fella" I said, "but stick with it, we're surely not the only ones that think this and hopefully the peeps at DICE are just doing it to keep the publisher happy (I mean, that was what spoiled Mirror's Edge wsn't it?) and eventually they'll patch it to be more like the way BC2 was"

And i said it with such conviction. I'm hoping i can convince myself not to toss it.

I just want the sports back. I don't want it turned into instagib, much as i loved it.

comment by RtM (U1097)

posted on 12/3/12

I put a bookmark halfway through. I'll continue reading tomorrow

posted on 12/3/12

posted on 13/3/12

comment by originalmacc (U7585)

Now that is an opinion i can appreciate

I suppose its very much what you are after - i seem to be the oppisite of your good self, as 1 thing that annoyed me in my love relationship with CS was emptying a clip into someone and for them to turn around and shoot you in the head in 1 shot. This is why i love bf3 - the realism. I want 2-3 bullets to kill and more team working. There is nothing better than a squad of 4 working together and needing to look out for each other. CS turned into rush rush rush, gone where all the good old fashion maps with choke points and cover.

Horses for courese my friend - its a shame you dont like BF3 but thanks for the response

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