Clichy set for city

he better not return to pre-mental breakdown vs birmingham form, if he does join our rivals.

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That'll be exactly what will happen and it'll serve Arsenal fans' rights when it does. Fans at this club are WAY too critical, unforgiving and down right two-faced about it's players. It's actually a wonder that anybody wants to play for us.

I dont know about that, its not like we go up to them and shout abuse at them in their faces. For the most part all our players are shown support when it matters

Oh please the players get paid a fortune to be losers.

I have to admit that I am judging by what I've seen on these boards, but our fans turn on our players in a disgraceful fashion. Wages have nothing to do with this. That's the going rate in football so is irrelevant. Arsenal fans these days seem to do nothing but whine and gripe about the trophy we've not won but seem to think we've had a god-given right to. Most refuse to acknowledge the reality that the team over-achieves what it SHOULD be able to do, every season. No other manager in the prem could have accomplished what Wenger has with the same player resources. As most have told reporters at some point when acknowledging Wenger as a genius (allbeit an annoying genius).

Given the players we have, we shouldn't even BE competing in the top four let alone have had two "Grand Slams" still possible in february in the last three seasons. But Gooners don't see that. They don't see that our team of youngsters SHOULD by rights be languishing just above mid table, happy to get some thurs night football. All they see is no trophy in six and thier happy to blame any player that is not call Fabregas or Van Persie for that. "Support," for players is massively lacking at our club. Too many of our fans are only supportive of the players they consider be "Great" everyone else needs to watch thier back if we lose a game because the snipers are out as soon as the final whistle goes.

David Seaman
Patrick Vierra
Kolo Toure
Yaya Toure
Emmanuelle Adebayor
Silvinho
Stuart Taylor

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Would you add Nelson Vivas and Stephan Swartz to that list as well please

WengersBodyguard2

Quite right.

Van persie
Fabregas
Nasri
Wilshere
Vermaelen

A team with those kind of players should at least be competing in the top 4. In fact up until february when we had our usual mental collapse player for player we were the best in the league. The fact that the players cant maintain that form until the end of the season seems to me to be a failure rather than a success, they are clearly capable enough to win trophies and finish high in the league, the fact that they dont when they should is whats frustrating. Mental discipline i suppose, they failed when they were on the cusp of winning the carling cup, and they could not recover from the blows of going out of the fa cup and champions league

Paul Dickov as well

@sir wellingtonsilva

Football is, and has been for a while now, a team sport. I'm not sure I've ever seen a teamsheet with all the players in your 'players like these' on it. Trust me you could drop Fabregas and Nasri into West Ham and whilst they may have not got relegated, with Fab playing barely half the seasons games, and Nasri hot and cold, it wouldn't have got them out of the bottom half of the table.

And so it is at the top too, we may have some great players, for sure, but we don't have a great, consistent team. Sorry if this sounds like stating the bleeding obvious.

Mental discipline i suppose, they failed when they were on the cusp of winning the carling cup, and they could not recover from the blows of going out of the fa cup and champions league

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What you mean the EXACT poor mental discipline that you would expect from somebody barely out of nappies? Our lads are exactly that LADS. For god's sake Theo's only got proper facial hair this season. Even the mighty Fabregas is prone to stropping like a toddler when he doesn't get his way. We have a bunch of kids for a team and people seem to be expecting them to have the mental strength of grown men.

There are exceptions to every rule naturally. But as a rule, the kind of mental discipline we're talking about is beyond a team of players this age. And therein lay the downside to a team of wonder-kids. BUT let them finish growing up and they'll get there in the end.