Silly boy. If I know the Blues management (and I do) he won't play for them again. Idiot.
I'd tend to agree with you Gecko. There's something of the "Gascoigne Syndrome" to him.
Henson strikes me as a genuinely decent human being and a potentially brilliant rugby player, unlike say Messrs Care or Cipriani I think there's a good bloke in there trying to get out.
For me what Gavin Henson really needs is his Mum, like Gascoigne abd best he strikes me as somewhat who hasn't really grown up and is, at heart, a rather fragile personality. I really hope he can turn the corner, but his nine lives must be about up by now and I'm not sure what the alternatives are - maybe Airioni or Treviso might be worth a shot? Though I have to say, as a human being, I'm a little worried for Gavin Henson's future both on and off the field
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy....
you may well have a point there!
Well gecko i feel for you, but on the other hand i dont care even a slight bit about this muppet. Sry mate, its just gone on way to long and way to far at this stage. he really has been finished for atleast 4 years. In fact, i believe the moment it all went wrong for him was the day he published his ill advised biography, and forced his own team mates to publicly denounce it as lies and fallacy. What was that about 6/7 years ago?
Told ya. He's a gonner. Apparently he wasn't just fired, the Blues management absolutely laid into him. So did some of the players.
Oh good! MonDieu!... More info... don't spare the gory details! HA
DingBat - Just getting info from my dad. He's still on the phone to a few guys he knows. Rumours of him having a problem with the drink though... allegedly. (I can't be sued now I've said 'allegedly'... I hope)
ah problem with the drink could me anything from bowel moments to the other thing... i think u be ok
I knew the wording might get me out of a possible tight spot. I mean, it's not as if I said he was an alcoholic or anything.
exactly! like going nuts on a plane while totally smashed drunk is not proof of anything really. Tho i do think he is a total muppet! that just my opinion, and freedom of opinion is still allowed i hope. like i could go on and give several more...
Alcohol - The promising career ruiner.
not at all! being a total idiot comes first, the alcohol is the self medication after u realize you have been a baboon
Well that was certainly a swift and decisive response. I can't say I don't agree wholeheartedly with it though. He's had so many last chances, I think the real shame is he didn't get this wake up call earlier in his career. Odds on him signing with another club are very slim now. At least at the professional level.
Ding, I agree. The autobiography in 05 was when he first put a lot of people's backs up.
SARS, yup. I've always felt that he was a nice guy, who just didn't know how to handle the limelight and girls. I reckon it was Charlotte Church who got him into the media world, and that he's not over her and keeps trying to raise his media profile for her sake. That's my take on it anyway.
Sorry for the psuedo-psychoanalysis. Sadly it doesn't look like we'll be doing any more analysis of his rugby.
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Actually, thats harsh. I just hate that professional sportsmen think they gods gift to the world, imagine if he had an ordinary 9-5, would he have been given the chances he has?
Edins
"if he had an ordinary 9-5, would he have been given the chances he has?"
LMAO. thats such a simple but effective question! How many teams has he let down in his career? I would say if u multiply that number by 3 or 4 you would be getting close the the number of times he would have been fired from McDonalds
P.S. Sry Gecko, i know we are being harsh here, but its an easy target.
No worries lads, I agree with what most people are saying. I think he's just simple and I hate the situation we're in now.
Now his career will fade to nothing but media snapshots, its easy to forget how good a player he was. Not the best in the world. But aside from not having Usain Bolt pace, nor Quade Cooper trickery, he had a very full arsenal in attack and defence. He was a good runner, picked good angles with good footwork, challenged defenders with his deceptive (honest!) pace, had beautiful distribution skills, was a hefty unit in midfield to bosh the ball up, or bosh an attacker back, had a cannon of a boot, and whilst tbh I think his defence was somewhere inbetween decent and as excellent as Gatland made out, you cant add many more qualities to a centre.
But he was sorely lacking mentally. For the prime of his career, he only wanted to play 12, or 10. If he was played further out he would strop on the field. He was disinterested in defence at full-back. I could cite the example of the poor attempt of a tackle on Tommy Bowe in 2009, and say that was characteristic of Henson playing 'out of position' (from his perspective). There were times when he was substituted and he looked relieved.
I don't want to bang on. We all know his faults. I just don't think its right that we forget his qualities and say he only contributed one penalty kick and tackle. If only by honestly assessing his past performances we can understand why so many people are disappointed in him.
I don't disagree with the Blues sacking him. Is it harsh for a first offence? I don't think so. If the player is joining under review, and on top of this has a history, how many chances do you give him? I mean, honestly, I think if he was just let off with a fine and a suspension, he'd do it again, probably next year. He's averaged an incident every year or two of playing hasn't he?
I think he should have been sacked from the Ospreys. Or Saracens. Toulon. You don't learn if there are no consequences. He should have been directed to treatment. Or mentored by a non-drinking or more responsible buddy. What if he was raised better into adulthood to drink more responsibly? Converted to Mormonism? Who knows now? We'll never find out.
Gecko, ye but no but ye but no... He's too old to mentored by an older buddy really. and he's been too old for that for about 7 years lol. I guess its like this, If a team are paying him a big salary, they in turn can expect to be paying for a professional. And they should not be worried about babysitting him.
I mean, I get paid every month but if i started asking for help getting up out of bed in the morning or to not go straight to the pub after work every night, i would expect to get the boot right quick.
Anyway, been saying this for years on the old 606 but now, surly this is the end of this affair with him, no? Im sure this has got to be it. Done and Dusted as they say.
Yeah, I'd say the fat lady has sung now.
As far as the mentoring thing goes, I'm not sure it relates to age - I was thinking more along the lines of how it works in the AA or other support groups. He should have been directed to something like that anyway, much sooner. He doesn't have the emotional intelligence and maturity to look after himself.
but that sort of points the finger at substance abuse as being the cause f his downfall. And really, i dont think he had a history if that until recently. In fact, im not sure thats an excuse at all. I mean clearly he cant handle a few beers without turning into a clown, but has he got a drinking problem? no i dont think so. he has his own internal demons and i think it does him no favours to point the finger out outside influences like his EX or beer or anything else. Its all about him.
Like u said. "He doesn't have the emotional intelligence and maturity to look after himself."
I think that sums him up quite well right there
Hats off to Peter Thomas, talking a lot of sense:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17637083
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posted on 1/4/12
Silly boy. If I know the Blues management (and I do) he won't play for them again. Idiot.
posted on 2/4/12
I'd tend to agree with you Gecko. There's something of the "Gascoigne Syndrome" to him.
Henson strikes me as a genuinely decent human being and a potentially brilliant rugby player, unlike say Messrs Care or Cipriani I think there's a good bloke in there trying to get out.
For me what Gavin Henson really needs is his Mum, like Gascoigne abd best he strikes me as somewhat who hasn't really grown up and is, at heart, a rather fragile personality. I really hope he can turn the corner, but his nine lives must be about up by now and I'm not sure what the alternatives are - maybe Airioni or Treviso might be worth a shot? Though I have to say, as a human being, I'm a little worried for Gavin Henson's future both on and off the field
posted on 2/4/12
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy....
posted on 2/4/12
you may well have a point there!
posted on 2/4/12
Well gecko i feel for you, but on the other hand i dont care even a slight bit about this muppet. Sry mate, its just gone on way to long and way to far at this stage. he really has been finished for atleast 4 years. In fact, i believe the moment it all went wrong for him was the day he published his ill advised biography, and forced his own team mates to publicly denounce it as lies and fallacy. What was that about 6/7 years ago?
posted on 2/4/12
Told ya. He's a gonner. Apparently he wasn't just fired, the Blues management absolutely laid into him. So did some of the players.
posted on 2/4/12
Oh good! MonDieu!... More info... don't spare the gory details! HA
posted on 2/4/12
DingBat - Just getting info from my dad. He's still on the phone to a few guys he knows. Rumours of him having a problem with the drink though... allegedly. (I can't be sued now I've said 'allegedly'... I hope)
posted on 2/4/12
ah problem with the drink could me anything from bowel moments to the other thing... i think u be ok
posted on 2/4/12
I knew the wording might get me out of a possible tight spot. I mean, it's not as if I said he was an alcoholic or anything.
posted on 2/4/12
exactly! like going nuts on a plane while totally smashed drunk is not proof of anything really. Tho i do think he is a total muppet! that just my opinion, and freedom of opinion is still allowed i hope. like i could go on and give several more...
posted on 2/4/12
Alcohol - The promising career ruiner.
posted on 2/4/12
not at all! being a total idiot comes first, the alcohol is the self medication after u realize you have been a baboon
posted on 2/4/12
Well that was certainly a swift and decisive response. I can't say I don't agree wholeheartedly with it though. He's had so many last chances, I think the real shame is he didn't get this wake up call earlier in his career. Odds on him signing with another club are very slim now. At least at the professional level.
Ding, I agree. The autobiography in 05 was when he first put a lot of people's backs up.
SARS, yup. I've always felt that he was a nice guy, who just didn't know how to handle the limelight and girls. I reckon it was Charlotte Church who got him into the media world, and that he's not over her and keeps trying to raise his media profile for her sake. That's my take on it anyway.
Sorry for the psuedo-psychoanalysis. Sadly it doesn't look like we'll be doing any more analysis of his rugby.
posted on 2/4/12
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posted on 2/4/12
Actually, thats harsh. I just hate that professional sportsmen think they gods gift to the world, imagine if he had an ordinary 9-5, would he have been given the chances he has?
posted on 4/4/12
Edins
"if he had an ordinary 9-5, would he have been given the chances he has?"
LMAO. thats such a simple but effective question! How many teams has he let down in his career? I would say if u multiply that number by 3 or 4 you would be getting close the the number of times he would have been fired from McDonalds
P.S. Sry Gecko, i know we are being harsh here, but its an easy target.
posted on 4/4/12
No worries lads, I agree with what most people are saying. I think he's just simple and I hate the situation we're in now.
Now his career will fade to nothing but media snapshots, its easy to forget how good a player he was. Not the best in the world. But aside from not having Usain Bolt pace, nor Quade Cooper trickery, he had a very full arsenal in attack and defence. He was a good runner, picked good angles with good footwork, challenged defenders with his deceptive (honest!) pace, had beautiful distribution skills, was a hefty unit in midfield to bosh the ball up, or bosh an attacker back, had a cannon of a boot, and whilst tbh I think his defence was somewhere inbetween decent and as excellent as Gatland made out, you cant add many more qualities to a centre.
But he was sorely lacking mentally. For the prime of his career, he only wanted to play 12, or 10. If he was played further out he would strop on the field. He was disinterested in defence at full-back. I could cite the example of the poor attempt of a tackle on Tommy Bowe in 2009, and say that was characteristic of Henson playing 'out of position' (from his perspective). There were times when he was substituted and he looked relieved.
I don't want to bang on. We all know his faults. I just don't think its right that we forget his qualities and say he only contributed one penalty kick and tackle. If only by honestly assessing his past performances we can understand why so many people are disappointed in him.
I don't disagree with the Blues sacking him. Is it harsh for a first offence? I don't think so. If the player is joining under review, and on top of this has a history, how many chances do you give him? I mean, honestly, I think if he was just let off with a fine and a suspension, he'd do it again, probably next year. He's averaged an incident every year or two of playing hasn't he?
I think he should have been sacked from the Ospreys. Or Saracens. Toulon. You don't learn if there are no consequences. He should have been directed to treatment. Or mentored by a non-drinking or more responsible buddy. What if he was raised better into adulthood to drink more responsibly? Converted to Mormonism? Who knows now? We'll never find out.
posted on 5/4/12
Gecko, ye but no but ye but no... He's too old to mentored by an older buddy really. and he's been too old for that for about 7 years lol. I guess its like this, If a team are paying him a big salary, they in turn can expect to be paying for a professional. And they should not be worried about babysitting him.
I mean, I get paid every month but if i started asking for help getting up out of bed in the morning or to not go straight to the pub after work every night, i would expect to get the boot right quick.
Anyway, been saying this for years on the old 606 but now, surly this is the end of this affair with him, no? Im sure this has got to be it. Done and Dusted as they say.
posted on 5/4/12
Yeah, I'd say the fat lady has sung now.
As far as the mentoring thing goes, I'm not sure it relates to age - I was thinking more along the lines of how it works in the AA or other support groups. He should have been directed to something like that anyway, much sooner. He doesn't have the emotional intelligence and maturity to look after himself.
posted on 6/4/12
but that sort of points the finger at substance abuse as being the cause f his downfall. And really, i dont think he had a history if that until recently. In fact, im not sure thats an excuse at all. I mean clearly he cant handle a few beers without turning into a clown, but has he got a drinking problem? no i dont think so. he has his own internal demons and i think it does him no favours to point the finger out outside influences like his EX or beer or anything else. Its all about him.
Like u said. "He doesn't have the emotional intelligence and maturity to look after himself."
I think that sums him up quite well right there
posted on 6/4/12
Hats off to Peter Thomas, talking a lot of sense:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17637083
posted on 11/4/12
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