Bubbles he ate all the pies
No point in supporting London teams in Europe. You are just building yourself up to be let down as London teams can't win old big ears
What's Lampard ever done?
Treated AVB like dog shitee.
Bubbles
Continually underacheived at International level and still got picked. It might not be his fault but he's a constant reminder of the golden generation that wasn't!
Arab
According to the staff at the club it was the other way round.
AVB's man management was poor. I don't believe half the stories the press print about Chelsea. For years they have claimed Lampard and Terry hate every manager etc I just don't buy it.
Look at Gerrard on Sunday, if that had been Lampard or Terry ushering Dalglish off the pitch about a million different stories would have been printed already
Players are professionals, I don't believe (particularly at that age) players would deliberately lose football matches to spite their manager.
Superb
The majority of the English public dislike Cole, Lampard and Terry. I know many people (myself included) who will find it alot easier to get behind the national team when they are not in it.
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A Spurs fan who hates Chelsea players. What a shock.
PaulBawron
Lampard was far better than Gerrard at International Level up until the 2006 World Cup.
At the Euro 2004 he was much better than Gerrard and scored vital goals, Gerrard on the other hand was poor. I don't get how he evades such criticism especially after saying Liverpool was more important.
Gerrard has been Englands biggest underachiever, as has Rooney
*up until the 2010 World Cup.
Lampard has been making his reputation on the back of better players who give him a chance to score his famous penalties. I can't think of many neutrals who like plastic teams like Chelsea.
Don't forget also that Barca and Real are playing some great stuff so as a neutral I would back the team that plays the most entertaining football.
Gerrard has been Englands biggest underachiever, as has Rooney
Kind of a contradiction there.
when i was a lad i wanted all British teams to do well, including celtic and rangers ..even Scotland
now it depends on the club ...hate to see chelsea of arsenal do well, i was cheering Liverpool in the istanbul final once they got level, but was enjoying their misery at half time ..dont mind man utd doing well for some reason, but can also enjoy their misery when they arent.
I think european competition gives us the chance to be fickle when our club isnt playing ...”oh the English team won” or "haha the Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool 's lost embarrassingly”
Absolutely not. I always want Man Utd to lose. I dislike them in the PL, so I'll continue to dislike them in Europe.
Chelsea I used to be indifferent with, until we met them about 20 times in the Champions League. After that I wanted them to lose. But now I'm indifferent again. I'd prefer them not to win this season though, as Torres moved there to win things, and it woudl be good for them not win anythig this season.
I used to like Arsenal, always enjoyed their style of play under Arsene, so didn;t mind them winning. but as their fans have become do annoying, I want them to lose now too.
Don't really care about Spurs or Man City.
Bubbles™ (U7929)
'Media Crusades'. lol. I don't really care what the media says. What players do off the pitch is none of our business, however obviously unless it effects their game on the pitch.
Maybe 'dislike' is the wrong word describing Lampard. It's just I lost a lot of respect for Lampard for his role in the AVB sacking. Using his 'england golden boy status' to say stupid things in the media which couldn't of helped the situation. Throwing his toys out of the pram for being benched. etc
itsonlyagame
With all due respect here in England and especially London the rivalry is far stronger and more tribal.
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Agreed - it's increasingly going that way in Spain, especially between Madrid and Barça fans. Nowadays I reckon I'm among of minority who like to see the other side do well in Europe. Atleti fans are extremely tribal - many of them label themselves antimadridistas first, Atlético fans second. They fully support Spain, but still froth at the mouth if a RM player does well for the side.
I was in Spain when they won the Euro's and Barca is like my adopted home, despite the ethnic and political divisions in Spain it was extremely United for the national team, in Europe you don't get that.
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I think a lot of that is due to the national team's core of Barça players. The Basques don't really warm to the national team, and the Catalans wouldn't that much if it weren't for the above reason. Catalunya also has a very large population of immigrants from other parts of Spain, who I imagine were more than overjoyed at the possibility of whipping out a Spanish flag in the middle of Barcelona!
What is true though is that the divide is more along the nationalistic divide than the club divide.
Like most English people I would love to see Gerrard, Cole, Lampard and Terry out of the England squad on a permanent basis. We've been there, done that and it dosn't work.
see you on Saturday ArryRaptor outside south woodford
Like most English people I would love to see Gerrard, Cole, Lampard and Terry out of the England squad on a permanent basis. We've been there, done that and it dosn't work.
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Should have been done straight after the 2010 World Cup.
This debate has been cropping up on other threads today. Apologies to those who are re-reading my tedious opinion.
For me, football (and sport in general) has a lot to do with tribalism. Different people have different ways of expressing this, e.g. patriotism could be one path. I'm not that patriotic. And the domestic club rivalries are usually too strong for me to let go of them when e.g. Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea play in Europe. It felt different when Spurs played Real or Fulham played Atletico because the English sides were not major rivals and were underdogs in those ties.
I do support England in international tournaments, but I regard this as another arbitrary manifestation of tribalism (England is my team and I have similar feelings of rivalry towards our old enemies that I do towards United's historical rivals). It's not to do with patriotism. I'm not desparate for England to win in sports I don't follow.
PawlBawron
Which Cole are you talking about? Chelsea's left back might be part of the failed generation but has been one of England's more consistent performers, and about the only player to emerge with some credit from 2010. If we're talking about Joe Cole, you're right but that is already de facto.
Some people on here to raise good points.
Looking on Facebook (people I know), Twitter (people I don't know) and on forums (people I don't know) I've never seen people as angry as when Chelsea win a game.
Even Kony didn't outrage people as much as when Chelsea beat Valencia , Benfica and Napoli
And the domestic club rivalries are usually too strong for me to let go of them when e.g. Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea play in Europe. It felt different when Spurs played Real or Fulham played Atletico because the English sides were not major rivals and were underdogs in those ties.
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That's me as well.
Like most English people I would love to see Gerrard, Cole, Lampard and Terry out of the England squad on a permanent basis. We've been there, done that and it dosn't work.
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So it´s all Chelsea ´s fault that England are rubbish.
Maybe England are rubbish simply because they are just rubbish.
Bubbles™
As a petty and mean individual, I begrudge any success Chelsea achieves but for what it's worth I was a lot more angry and bitter when Liverpool won the CL.
I was a lot more angry and bitter when Liverpool won the CL.
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That was the most annoying of all the achievements a rival has made in Europe. Credit to Liverpool but I was very bitter at the time.
...and don't we secretly prefer it mean and petty? Isn't it more fun turning up the hubris to an unbearable level when things go well, knowing you have to take the payback when things go horribly wrong? Isn't it perversely enjoyable having to tolerate gloating, knowing that at some point in the future you'll have a chance to rub the same rival's noses in a crushing disappointment of their own?
Isn't all that part of the intensity of watching the game?
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posted on 5/4/12
Bubbles he ate all the pies
posted on 5/4/12
No point in supporting London teams in Europe. You are just building yourself up to be let down as London teams can't win old big ears
posted on 5/4/12
What's Lampard ever done?
Treated AVB like dog shitee.
posted on 5/4/12
Bubbles
Continually underacheived at International level and still got picked. It might not be his fault but he's a constant reminder of the golden generation that wasn't!
posted on 5/4/12
Arab
According to the staff at the club it was the other way round.
AVB's man management was poor. I don't believe half the stories the press print about Chelsea. For years they have claimed Lampard and Terry hate every manager etc I just don't buy it.
Look at Gerrard on Sunday, if that had been Lampard or Terry ushering Dalglish off the pitch about a million different stories would have been printed already
Players are professionals, I don't believe (particularly at that age) players would deliberately lose football matches to spite their manager.
posted on 5/4/12
Superb
The majority of the English public dislike Cole, Lampard and Terry. I know many people (myself included) who will find it alot easier to get behind the national team when they are not in it.
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A Spurs fan who hates Chelsea players. What a shock.
posted on 5/4/12
PaulBawron
Lampard was far better than Gerrard at International Level up until the 2006 World Cup.
At the Euro 2004 he was much better than Gerrard and scored vital goals, Gerrard on the other hand was poor. I don't get how he evades such criticism especially after saying Liverpool was more important.
Gerrard has been Englands biggest underachiever, as has Rooney
posted on 5/4/12
*up until the 2010 World Cup.
posted on 5/4/12
Lampard has been making his reputation on the back of better players who give him a chance to score his famous penalties. I can't think of many neutrals who like plastic teams like Chelsea.
Don't forget also that Barca and Real are playing some great stuff so as a neutral I would back the team that plays the most entertaining football.
posted on 5/4/12
Gerrard has been Englands biggest underachiever, as has Rooney
Kind of a contradiction there.
posted on 5/4/12
when i was a lad i wanted all British teams to do well, including celtic and rangers ..even Scotland
now it depends on the club ...hate to see chelsea of arsenal do well, i was cheering Liverpool in the istanbul final once they got level, but was enjoying their misery at half time ..dont mind man utd doing well for some reason, but can also enjoy their misery when they arent.
I think european competition gives us the chance to be fickle when our club isnt playing ...”oh the English team won” or "haha the Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool 's lost embarrassingly”
posted on 5/4/12
Absolutely not. I always want Man Utd to lose. I dislike them in the PL, so I'll continue to dislike them in Europe.
Chelsea I used to be indifferent with, until we met them about 20 times in the Champions League. After that I wanted them to lose. But now I'm indifferent again. I'd prefer them not to win this season though, as Torres moved there to win things, and it woudl be good for them not win anythig this season.
I used to like Arsenal, always enjoyed their style of play under Arsene, so didn;t mind them winning. but as their fans have become do annoying, I want them to lose now too.
Don't really care about Spurs or Man City.
posted on 5/4/12
Bubbles™ (U7929)
'Media Crusades'. lol. I don't really care what the media says. What players do off the pitch is none of our business, however obviously unless it effects their game on the pitch.
Maybe 'dislike' is the wrong word describing Lampard. It's just I lost a lot of respect for Lampard for his role in the AVB sacking. Using his 'england golden boy status' to say stupid things in the media which couldn't of helped the situation. Throwing his toys out of the pram for being benched. etc
posted on 5/4/12
itsonlyagame
With all due respect here in England and especially London the rivalry is far stronger and more tribal.
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Agreed - it's increasingly going that way in Spain, especially between Madrid and Barça fans. Nowadays I reckon I'm among of minority who like to see the other side do well in Europe. Atleti fans are extremely tribal - many of them label themselves antimadridistas first, Atlético fans second. They fully support Spain, but still froth at the mouth if a RM player does well for the side.
I was in Spain when they won the Euro's and Barca is like my adopted home, despite the ethnic and political divisions in Spain it was extremely United for the national team, in Europe you don't get that.
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I think a lot of that is due to the national team's core of Barça players. The Basques don't really warm to the national team, and the Catalans wouldn't that much if it weren't for the above reason. Catalunya also has a very large population of immigrants from other parts of Spain, who I imagine were more than overjoyed at the possibility of whipping out a Spanish flag in the middle of Barcelona!
What is true though is that the divide is more along the nationalistic divide than the club divide.
posted on 5/4/12
Like most English people I would love to see Gerrard, Cole, Lampard and Terry out of the England squad on a permanent basis. We've been there, done that and it dosn't work.
posted on 5/4/12
see you on Saturday ArryRaptor outside south woodford
posted on 5/4/12
Like most English people I would love to see Gerrard, Cole, Lampard and Terry out of the England squad on a permanent basis. We've been there, done that and it dosn't work.
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Should have been done straight after the 2010 World Cup.
posted on 5/4/12
This debate has been cropping up on other threads today. Apologies to those who are re-reading my tedious opinion.
For me, football (and sport in general) has a lot to do with tribalism. Different people have different ways of expressing this, e.g. patriotism could be one path. I'm not that patriotic. And the domestic club rivalries are usually too strong for me to let go of them when e.g. Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea play in Europe. It felt different when Spurs played Real or Fulham played Atletico because the English sides were not major rivals and were underdogs in those ties.
I do support England in international tournaments, but I regard this as another arbitrary manifestation of tribalism (England is my team and I have similar feelings of rivalry towards our old enemies that I do towards United's historical rivals). It's not to do with patriotism. I'm not desparate for England to win in sports I don't follow.
posted on 5/4/12
PawlBawron
Which Cole are you talking about? Chelsea's left back might be part of the failed generation but has been one of England's more consistent performers, and about the only player to emerge with some credit from 2010. If we're talking about Joe Cole, you're right but that is already de facto.
posted on 5/4/12
Some people on here to raise good points.
Looking on Facebook (people I know), Twitter (people I don't know) and on forums (people I don't know) I've never seen people as angry as when Chelsea win a game.
Even Kony didn't outrage people as much as when Chelsea beat Valencia , Benfica and Napoli
posted on 5/4/12
And the domestic club rivalries are usually too strong for me to let go of them when e.g. Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea play in Europe. It felt different when Spurs played Real or Fulham played Atletico because the English sides were not major rivals and were underdogs in those ties.
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That's me as well.
posted on 5/4/12
Like most English people I would love to see Gerrard, Cole, Lampard and Terry out of the England squad on a permanent basis. We've been there, done that and it dosn't work.
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So it´s all Chelsea ´s fault that England are rubbish.
Maybe England are rubbish simply because they are just rubbish.
posted on 5/4/12
Bubbles™
As a petty and mean individual, I begrudge any success Chelsea achieves but for what it's worth I was a lot more angry and bitter when Liverpool won the CL.
posted on 5/4/12
I was a lot more angry and bitter when Liverpool won the CL.
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That was the most annoying of all the achievements a rival has made in Europe. Credit to Liverpool but I was very bitter at the time.
posted on 5/4/12
...and don't we secretly prefer it mean and petty? Isn't it more fun turning up the hubris to an unbearable level when things go well, knowing you have to take the payback when things go horribly wrong? Isn't it perversely enjoyable having to tolerate gloating, knowing that at some point in the future you'll have a chance to rub the same rival's noses in a crushing disappointment of their own?
Isn't all that part of the intensity of watching the game?
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