yeah the article makes a good point, that maybe much of this is essentially 'posturing' by Levy in order to get the necessary support for NDP. Fingers crossed.

Last thing we want is to have some sort of successful 'legal case' and end up moving to the OS after all!

Philspurs: At least you acknowledge that Tottenham have behaved in an underhand way. Apparently the police have now been called in.

http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=125447

Once again, this displays how desperate Levy is to get the OS. There is no plan 'B'. It's the OS or bust.

http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=125447

myhammers, as Spurs have so far not commented I wouldn't go so far as accepting we've behaved in an underhand way - but if it is true - then yes, I accept it's a bit untoward and not something I'm particularly proud of on behalf of my club.

However, you might want to consider doing the same - accepting that your club may have behaved in a less than holy fashion - before being too holier than thou yourself.

And the 'OS or bust' statement is ridiculous. It's clear that any investigation is about ascertaining if everything was done in the correct way - and understanding why Spurs were encouraged to bid, and invest, in what was clearly a non starter. Surely from your own perspective you'd want that clarified too, to ensure the WHU won the bid on merit and nothing else?

The fact that we are still pursuing the NDP, whilst also investigating other options, shows clearly that 'OS or bust' couldn't be farther from the truth.

Philspur: Even if the woman concerned is guilty of wrongdoing, 14 members of the OPLC voted unanimously to give the OS to West Ham. She is a mere employee of the OPLC, and not one of the voting 14 members. How much influence could she have had on the process?

I really believe the OS is the only option available to Levy. So what if Tottenham had won the bid? Would he have then turned around and said they were only kidding all along?
And do you think the NDP will give many millions of taxpayers' money just for a Premership club to build a new stadium (albeit with a few incidental benefits to the community)?

i dont know about anyone else, but im looking forward to the season starting

"And do you think the NDP will give many millions of taxpayers' money just for a Premership club to build a new stadium (albeit with a few incidental benefits to the community)?"

Substitute "Championship" for "Premiership" ,
and what do you get :

DOOOOOOOOHHHH !!!!


Or specifically, there is no material benefit for an already financially-stricken council (Newham) to provide a loan to a club that :

1. provides a "few incidental benefits" to the community

2. is itself in financial difficulty


at a loan/interest rate that :

1. has no material benefit to the council (interest payments received)

2. is not at a rate that WHU would have secured on the open market


And the above is the *MOST CURSORY* of objective analysis (without considering the usual local council back-handers etc) .

Darth Levy has played this spot on.
Various govt entities on the rack, 3 London borough councils now squirming.

Just for starters.

JPB :

I bet you are looking forward to it far more than myhammers is.

RDBD: I think you'll find the OS was built for the 2012 Olympics. West Ham did not ask for it to be built so that they could have a new stadium.
Contrast that with the NDP. Here, Tottenham are asking for public funds to build a stadium just for them.
Do you get it now?

I'm more looking forward to the 2013/14 season, the reasons for which are only too painfully clear to Tottenham fans

rafa nadal's sister

myhammers :

Still don't get it, do you.

The OS was built for an event, and then as a lasting legacy (allegedly) . It was not built as a means for a debt-ridden club (WHU) to take over. And if it was, it was meant to be paid for by the club itself, not by trying to concoct some non-market related loan from a London borough that is one of the poorest in the UK.

Re the NDP. You don't get that either do you.
There are two financial scenarios that are presented to THFC PLC :

1. The one they have budgeted and costed for, to be paid for by going into the markets (as they can do being a financially sound PLC)

2. the one that is being foisted on them due to politnik ponces

One of the above would have led to the OS post 2012 going forward with nominal scrutiny, and the NPD going forward as intended.

And the other is going to lead to serious trouble for certain politniks. Politniks who, if their dealings are commercially and legally corrupt, but would have slipped thru scrutiny regardless, are now finding the lens very much focused on them now.

I too am looking forward to 2013/14. For I expect Spurs, apart from having played another two seasons of top 5 PL football like the two seasons before, will also be ready to start development on their new big stadium (whichever of the 2-3 sites in view it actually is) .

I also suspect that there will be several who won't be looking forward to that date, as they will be reflecting on political careers shattered +/- stays at HMP.

I'm more looking forward to the 2013/14 season, the reasons for which are only too painfully clear to Tottenham fans
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myhammers coul you tell us all your myhammers fantasyland predictions please so we can get your references. what is it that happens in this season that we should all know about ?

bearing in mind that some of us may find it difficult to leap from reality to myhammers' fantasyland could you try to keep a realistic slant to it ?

So let's get this straight. Daniel Levy doesn't really want the OS? He has ulterior motives for a new stadium as part of the NDP?
So he has spent money and time on the OS bid, not to mention hired agents to look into the private dealings of OPLC members. As well as appealiing time and again to the courts? But it's all a decoy? Right?

Are you Tottenham fans that deluded? Is your desire for a bigger stadium so great that you're starting to believe anything? I feel a lot of you are going to be in for a painful shock when, come 2013/14, whilst West Ham will be getting ready to move into a terrific new stadium, it'll be more long queues for Tottenham fans at WHL.

I feel a lot of you are going to be in for a painful shock when, come 2013/14, whilst West Ham will be getting ready to move into a terrific new stadium, it'll be more long queues for Tottenham fans at WHL.
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i know it's all i can think about. will west ham fans have to queue up in the 2013-2014 season???

So let's get this straight.

Why would THFC PLC want to move away from their homeland, from a long-planned stadium that was fully designed and costed ??

There are two answers. And both are related purely to cost.

1. The opportunity arises to get the same stadium designed for, but at a nearby site with lower civil eng costs.

2. The costs for the original development have been raised to unacceptably high external costs, and an alternative must be looked at, regardless of any desire to stay.


"So he has spent money and time on the OS bid, not to mention hired agents to look into the private dealings of OPLC members. As well as appealiing time and again to the courts?"

If for the small matter of looking into (the already suspect) behaviour of parties involved in the WHU bid, for the chicken-feed cost that has probably entailed, gets the PLC back the money wasted on a suspect bid/tender process +/- forces politnik ponces to back down +/- (my big hope) locks the OS site into a running track scheme for perpetuity, then that is ROI.

As I stated, in 2013/14 I know Spurs will have their nice shiny big stadium development on the go (wherever that is) . And that WHU will at best be watching football with telescopes. And not even PL football guaranteed at that.

Now, as a WHU supporter, I don't begrudge the chance to throw stones at a bigger/better club like Spurs (God knows with the actual football/commercial abilities of your team and owners, you need something to vent your impotent anger at) .

But move along sonny. A proper PLC is sorting its future stadium out, not doing "state aid" deals with near bankrupt locals councils because you cannot acquire the money to buy any stadium outright.

So you are saying that Levy doesn't really want the Olympic Stadium?

In the time honoured phrase from Friday nights down the Boozer....................

"Leave it mate , he ain't worth it "

Levy is desperate to get away from three point pain and a new ground

I note that the reponses to each of my postings are increasing elided to the point of effective non-response. No surprises there eh, but back to it ...

I am saying that :

1. THFC PLC want a new stadium.

At a cost/location that is amenable to the core product (a product that the "customers" have strong *tribal* - not cost - loyalty to) , and the development funding constraints of a *PLC* (not some toytown joke ownership) of the size and solvency of THFC.


2. Regardless of the obvious financial no-brainer of the OS, that option would not have been looked at as seriously if it did not coincide with the politnik ponces adding ~50m to the NPD.

3. The ever more apparent politnik pratting around to get Spurs to be a second bidder to give the tender process more credibility, but for which their day 1 proposal was never going to be accepted, and the time/cost waste that has incurred, has IMHO resulted in seeking a JR out of both spite and as a means to redress #2.

And I'm all for #3.

Whatever happens (and that includes the WHU bid being blown away for the ever increasing shady sham it appears to be) , that Spurs will have their new shiny stadium at WHL, with politnik ponces taught to know their place, and costs back within the acceptable/planned window.

And the irony is that, it will be probably thanks to the threat of the minutae of the WHU bid being exposed to public scrutiny, that will cause this to come to pass.

squid :

The Evening Standard for the past few weeks have been running a high-profile campaign to deal with the terrible child illiteracy in London.

Someone has to be a good citizen, and volunteer their time to prevent these kids from entering a lifetime of stupidity and ignorance.

And so it is here.
Because we can walk away and ridicule the afflicted, doesn't mean we *should* .

The Evening Standard for the past few weeks have been running a high-profile campaign to deal with the terrible child illiteracy in London.'

It is the evening standard HAS not have

OK mate you carry on

Me ...........I just cannot take any more of his Holte inspired posts.........I'm 89 you know and my heart has the oomph of a 203 year old

AVB2 (U8180

Hi Funnsie .....had your 51st birthday yet ????

Is AVB the prat formerly known as Funnsy ??

I know they talk about second childhood etc, but he is taking the 10 yr old thing a bit too seriously is he not.

squid :

You're only as old as your human age divided by number of tentacles.