Sorry for the repetitive theme, but ask yourself this question - at the start of the season, before a ball has been kicked, would you accept where you are now?

Of course you would. Just like us, it's all to play for, and it's been the best season for years.

As dear old Winston put it, keep buggering on!

Chunders

Chunders...probably yes, but as a minimum expectation given all the bullsheets we were fed by Deano and Co after Old Trafford. This was the season we were going for the automatics, no more play offs for us...etc etc...it didn't take long for the pressure to get to the players and we've trundled along in 4th place nearly all season. To implode like we have done has shocked everybody, and we are still reeling...

Balls. If someone offered me 4th or 5th at the beginning of the season I would've told them to do one. The money invested at this club ups the ante and we should have been expecting to win the league or at the very least finish in the top 2. We finished 3rd last season and apparently "improved" the squad in the summer so logically we were going to expect more this season.

You have to accept at least Play Offs as a season Chunders I agree. Some Town fans though expect

100% possesion
0 shots on our goals
0 % of football actually in our half

all this with fast free flowing football on the floor too.

Some read too much into the garb to sell season tickets, but then expect it to happen like getting 100 points easily, just because we signed a journey man like Tommy Miller. They dont tend to realise when it's 3pm on a Sat it's 11 v 11 and no spin on what been said about the season or that game matters anymore.

This is the menatlity you are up against with some of my fellow supporters. Some are still questioning whether we will still make the play offs. Do they not realise the team sitting 7th have two really tough away games this week, especially one on Sat against a team fighting for automatic still.

Me, I would have liked automatic, but it was clear as way back in August that the play offs was the best we was gonna get.

Didn't we sign Gobern, Robinson and McDermott too, during the summer of love...to ensure we would , er what, get 3rd place again ??

Same to you.

Chunders

We signed enough, but didn't improve.

This was so clear to those that attended

Bury h
Hartlepool a
Rochdale a

In the first three games.

Yes I know it was only three games, but apart from Sheff Utd away, when have we looked like a promotion winning side? A couple of good wins against rubbing rags away, but no real promotion looking performances at home either.

Everyone got a little giddy with the expectation and money spent, but that should have quickly evaporated after the first three games.

never seen or heard anyone who follows town expecting anything like what Inter has put on the post above..

it wasnt clear from august we would be in the play offs..
wendies and united were very up and down and only charlton had a consistency that boded well for the season..


be honest a few weeks ago, a win at stevenage and at bury would have seen us with daylight between us and them, it might well be a different story..

yes, this was waiting to happen and possibly better now than like last year at the death and the most important game this club has had for a number of years but August?? no chance...

Can't agree with you at all Inter mate. Performances at Sheff Utd and MK aside we might not have performed brilliantly this season but up until February not one team in the fight for 2nd place had performed well.

We should have been looking at a top 2 finish and nothing else, bad ownership, bad management and a squad full of bottler have seen to it that we won't.

May have been a little OTT that comment 38 and like you say the two Chefs were up and down, but they have improved from that! Have we improved, do you think, from the first three games performance wise??

Looking back, I don't think we have to be honest

38, Indeed, better to happen now (if it has to happen) than like last season where we huffed and puffed against Brentford, Bournemouth and P'bro..4 games, no wins.

Nothing like a flurry of defeats to focus the minds of players who thought perhaps it was all getting a little too easy...We just need Grayson to get them to respond now...and thankfully he has a few more weeks to do that..

I also feel we deserve a bit of luck, as we seem to have been on the wrong end of a few things this past couple of months..

Cas the two chefs did stumble a bit, but from

Nov 12th - 14 Jan look at Sheff Utd's form

Played 12

won 11

Lost 1

Some of these were F.A Cup games and this run was halted with two defeats against Charlton and then brum in the Cup, but they then went and won three straight after that, which took then into Feb, sowuld have been

Played 17

Won 14

Lost 3

To say no one had form up to Feb then is simply not true Mate.

it was still in our hands when we played stevenage, bury and rochdale.. that extra 6 points that we should have got would have altered the course of the season.. so until wendies at home the "season" has always been "alive".. even if it was slipping away..

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You could say Nov/December was a defining period too...We had a run of W1 D3 L2 and Lee Clark was on the verge of being sacked on January 6th, after the Wycombe game...but he managed to rally the troops and save his neck.

His card was marked though, and despite 2 more wins we drew the next two and then lost again. Then he was sacked.

That 14 game period saw Town W5 D6 L3,... 21 points from 14 games..nowhere near 2 pts a game, and saw us drop from 2nd to 4th. We were 4 pts behind 2nd place Sheff Utd who had a game in hand, which they won, so it was 7 points.

After Orient away, we were still 4th, but now only 5 pts behind 2nd place, so we were closing in with 6 games to go.

Then we imploded.

So whatever the arguements about not being auto quality, after 40 games we were very much in the mix. Had we beaten Sheff Wed and kept the momentum going...it wouldn't have made any difference....

The reality is the last 3 games have not been the defining moment, because even if we had won all 3 of those games, we would still be 5 points behind 2nd place, such has been Sheff Utds form.

So where was it lost ?

Well it's obvious isn't it, and we've all said it before...too many draws from winning positions throughout the season. We never got enough wins needed to give us any breathing space at the top...and that was the legacy of the now infamous 'unbeaten run'.

Not only has this legacy left us kicking ourselves for not being more positive, but it also left us with a squad of players whose mindsets had been so set by Lee Clark into avoid defeat at all costs, that we forgot how to win. The final irony is that having lost their 'we are unbeatable' tag, the players seemed to lose interest, and without confidence...such was the Lee Clark brainwashing.

What's left are empty shells of players, drained and confused...

Grayson has his work cut out, but I have confidence he can sort it out.

You'll soon get used to the feeling under Grayson.

We lost four in a row without scoring in this division under him.

We've also had some of the heaviest defeats in our history.

Your confidence in him is misplaced.

But you he got you up so ill take 3 defeats in a row thanks if he gets us up ✔

The quality of our players got us up, but we still had less points than you last season!

✔

"Some Town fans though expect

100% possesion (sic)
0 shots on our goals
0 % of football actually in our half"

Name them and shame the... that’s what I say! I’m only guessing, but I would like to bet that they include Jock Boxorocks, Ernestine Doink, Carl and his Caribou, Hymie Kangaroodown, and the Cackle Sisters. They ought to be ashamed of themselves! Flogging’s too good for ‘em!

captain..
im not worried about the percentage of play opponents have in our half..its the amount of play we attempt in our half and the amount of time we spend sitting in our box that bothers me..i dont think we have scored a goal for ages that started with a number of square passes and slow stuff in our own half?

Hey C Lives A Live .. Even though his teams seasons stone dead .. You holding a Moratorium then fella .. ?

Whats it like with Nothing to look forward to .. ? Ne'er mind clivvie we're a welcoming lot over here and can usually find a minute or two to sympathise with the forlorn .. ..

Hey Clivvie ~ Guess who's on The Late Show 2 nite .. Yes It looks like its Your Saviour and Mine pal .. Simone Grazioni .. ..

Don't miss hit will ya .. ..

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38YEARS

I agree 100%! You echo my thoughts exactly.

Quite some time ago, I referred to Town’s second goal against Birmingham City in the F. A. Cup 3rd round tie in January 2008. You can watch it on

youtu.be/w2_r3csd_4c

It starts 4’ 18” into the video.

Collins, out wide, just inside his own half, knocks the ball forward, down the line to Schofield, who quickly controls it, and hits a pass down the line into space in the corner. Beckett lets the ball run, and just before it goes dead, he hits a cross to the far post for Brandon to pick his spot. It’s the beautiful game, and had it been Manchester United executing it, the so-called pundits would have been having ogre spasms!.

I often say that playing like Manchester United is very much about mindset. None of the skills required to create the above goal are beyond the average professional footballer, and the thinking shouldn’t be either.

Way back, I mentioned that whilst you can’t choreograph such goals, Town just doesn’t seem to come up with anything approaching that. In the four years since, similar circumstances to the start of that sequence of play must have occurred on a number of occasions, but I can’t remember when the team last executed a flowing move like that. It’s letting the ball do the work, and it’s quick passing in the direction of the opponent’s goal. Simple game!

Town’s style of play, if you can call it that, is far too sterile, unimaginative, and dreadfully dreary! And isn’t it repetitive? It’s like watching a continuous film loop.

Well Grayson is the most negative manager in football.