Same went for Liverpool. Torres up top on his own, pretty much everyone else back defending with Gerrard supporting.
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NO!
Liverpool only employed that tactics away. Liverpool played high pressing possession game under Benitez in CL.
Since Robben left many years ago Chelsea have never had pace in their team. They rely on kicking to Drogba who bullies his way through.
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anyone who thinks liverpool played counter attacking football after 2005 in the CL deserves to be laughed at
I wrote much of what has been written earlier. England tonight looked like the England from the 1970s with a tall man with no technique up front. It was also a very negative selection with little creativity, too many sitting midfielders. I think Bartry is a dreadful player. Despite what many here think, Lampard and Gerrard are still the best English central midfielders and certainly the only two who can pass the ball. When will you learn that you can make effective two and three metre passes and attack as a team instead of launching the ball forward? Play Gerrard and Lampard and keep the ball instead of playing over them!
I have also never seen the point of playin defensive wingers like Milner. You either play a winger or a midfielder but no a defensive winger.
Despite all the people calling for a complete change (where it suit them of course) the best England teamis probably the one which has been playing the last few years. Unfortunately, coaches like Erikson, Capello and the new coach seem not to want to play modern attacking football which is the real downfall of the English national team.
We won't evolve. It's so depressing. I would be happy to go with the likes of Jones, Wellbeck, Sturridge, Ox, Wilshire, Cleverley, Rodwell, Smalling, Richards etc and have the likes of Cole, Young and Rooney as the experienced of the group.
Play them together and they will develop. If we lose, who cares? We do that anyway...I would much rather be knocked out having gone out and played football, with a team that in 2-4 years will have developed together and could be a real force.
As it is, we will go to the next World Cup, for ed to replace the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, Terry etc and the group who have to go will have had little time to gel. Square one......
I'm sorry but I just don't get all this 'England don't have the players rubbish.
The best 2 teams in England are City and United. Now someone please explain this to me? United have dominated the PL for the last 20 years, been a huge force in the CL and have a core of English players, yet there are barely any in the England team.
We know have City, playing a beautiful style of football, winning the league, certain to do better in the CL next year, and with a spine English players yet there are barely any in the England team!!! This really baffles me.
Let's look at Spain, best team in the world, cometly full of players from Barca and Real (and de gea ).
Both these teams dominate possession every game,score a tonne of goals, have solid defences AND great passers of the ball in the middle of the park. So why the hell aren't dominating the England team?!?!?!?
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Look at the players that allowed us both to dominate. Aguero, Kompany, Tevez, Vidic, Ronaldo, Nani, Yaya, Evra, Berbatov, Silva, Dzeko to name a few recently.
Sure there's a strong English core in both teams but make a joint UTD/City 11, how many would be English? Rooney? Hart? Not many, they're not the stronger of the contingency.
I honestly believe England would be best copying the UTD template as close as possible like Spain do with Barca, then add a few from other grants. Not saying UTD to be biased but because I honestly feel if we work it in a similar way to UTD we would have a closer, more fluid team.
Hart, Baines/Cole, Smalling, Jones, Richards, Young, Carrick/Wilshire, Clevs/Gerrard, Johnson/Sturridge, Rooney, Welbeck would look a little like
Hart
Richards Jones Smalling Cole
Wilshire Cleverly
Sturridge Rooney Young
Wellbeck
6/11 would be UTD, with fillers from 3 other teams, use the UTD template and I think we would at least go out having played some good stuff. Players like Johnson, Ox, Carrick, Lampard/Gerrard going to fill out the squad but this team could play the next 2 tournaments together. I know some players like Parker etc ate missing but they won't be around in 2/3 years anyway do may as well get used to playing them together. Smalling and Jones should develop a good, solid understanding over the next couple seasons and will continue to improve so they might be shaky at first but I feel that given time, they will be a great CB pairing.
I wouldn't care if we went out from the Euros with this team because I'm sure we would at least see some positive football and begin building a really good foundation. We're going to go out anyway let's face it, I just can't take another tournament of scraping through a cack group then going out flimsily in the knockouts.
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posted on 27/5/12
Same went for Liverpool. Torres up top on his own, pretty much everyone else back defending with Gerrard supporting.
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NO!
Liverpool only employed that tactics away. Liverpool played high pressing possession game under Benitez in CL.
Since Robben left many years ago Chelsea have never had pace in their team. They rely on kicking to Drogba who bullies his way through.
posted on 27/5/12
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posted on 27/5/12
anyone who thinks liverpool played counter attacking football after 2005 in the CL deserves to be laughed at
posted on 27/5/12
I wrote much of what has been written earlier. England tonight looked like the England from the 1970s with a tall man with no technique up front. It was also a very negative selection with little creativity, too many sitting midfielders. I think Bartry is a dreadful player. Despite what many here think, Lampard and Gerrard are still the best English central midfielders and certainly the only two who can pass the ball. When will you learn that you can make effective two and three metre passes and attack as a team instead of launching the ball forward? Play Gerrard and Lampard and keep the ball instead of playing over them!
I have also never seen the point of playin defensive wingers like Milner. You either play a winger or a midfielder but no a defensive winger.
Despite all the people calling for a complete change (where it suit them of course) the best England teamis probably the one which has been playing the last few years. Unfortunately, coaches like Erikson, Capello and the new coach seem not to want to play modern attacking football which is the real downfall of the English national team.
posted on 27/5/12
We won't evolve. It's so depressing. I would be happy to go with the likes of Jones, Wellbeck, Sturridge, Ox, Wilshire, Cleverley, Rodwell, Smalling, Richards etc and have the likes of Cole, Young and Rooney as the experienced of the group.
Play them together and they will develop. If we lose, who cares? We do that anyway...I would much rather be knocked out having gone out and played football, with a team that in 2-4 years will have developed together and could be a real force.
As it is, we will go to the next World Cup, for ed to replace the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, Terry etc and the group who have to go will have had little time to gel. Square one......
posted on 27/5/12
I'm sorry but I just don't get all this 'England don't have the players rubbish.
The best 2 teams in England are City and United. Now someone please explain this to me? United have dominated the PL for the last 20 years, been a huge force in the CL and have a core of English players, yet there are barely any in the England team.
We know have City, playing a beautiful style of football, winning the league, certain to do better in the CL next year, and with a spine English players yet there are barely any in the England team!!! This really baffles me.
Let's look at Spain, best team in the world, cometly full of players from Barca and Real (and de gea ).
Both these teams dominate possession every game,score a tonne of goals, have solid defences AND great passers of the ball in the middle of the park. So why the hell aren't dominating the England team?!?!?!?
posted on 27/5/12
^^
Look at the players that allowed us both to dominate. Aguero, Kompany, Tevez, Vidic, Ronaldo, Nani, Yaya, Evra, Berbatov, Silva, Dzeko to name a few recently.
Sure there's a strong English core in both teams but make a joint UTD/City 11, how many would be English? Rooney? Hart? Not many, they're not the stronger of the contingency.
I honestly believe England would be best copying the UTD template as close as possible like Spain do with Barca, then add a few from other grants. Not saying UTD to be biased but because I honestly feel if we work it in a similar way to UTD we would have a closer, more fluid team.
Hart, Baines/Cole, Smalling, Jones, Richards, Young, Carrick/Wilshire, Clevs/Gerrard, Johnson/Sturridge, Rooney, Welbeck would look a little like
Hart
Richards Jones Smalling Cole
Wilshire Cleverly
Sturridge Rooney Young
Wellbeck
6/11 would be UTD, with fillers from 3 other teams, use the UTD template and I think we would at least go out having played some good stuff. Players like Johnson, Ox, Carrick, Lampard/Gerrard going to fill out the squad but this team could play the next 2 tournaments together. I know some players like Parker etc ate missing but they won't be around in 2/3 years anyway do may as well get used to playing them together. Smalling and Jones should develop a good, solid understanding over the next couple seasons and will continue to improve so they might be shaky at first but I feel that given time, they will be a great CB pairing.
I wouldn't care if we went out from the Euros with this team because I'm sure we would at least see some positive football and begin building a really good foundation. We're going to go out anyway let's face it, I just can't take another tournament of scraping through a cack group then going out flimsily in the knockouts.
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