comment by DLo1984 (U6668)
Does that include big eck?
Downing and Young sold for combined £38million.So if big eck spent £38million and a penny then you will still be right
Yep .. He spent 15 odd million .. N'zogbia and Hutton .. Like i say Lerner has backed every manager .. We have spent a hell of alot more than most clubs challenging for 4th over the last few years .. Newcastle, Everton, now i dont believe they have shelled out millions !!
Phil neville three feet .. Havent you heard about balancing the books in business ?? Downing and Young wanted and we got great money for both .. Lambert if given the job will get cash .. I have no doubts about it
He has backed every manager in charge with funds
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Really?
How many players has he sold recently, and for how much?
I can think of 75 million just for Barry, Milner, Downing & Young straight off the top of my head.
Big eck was a dreadful appointment from Lerner but previously he's backed managers, o neill got close to cl but IMO he's not a good enough manager, that's his level and he couldn't bring the team any further.
Sunderland will do well next season and probably finish in top 8 but it will all fizzle out and o neill will move on, do a good job somewhere else again.
Vidic .. Yes you may be correct .. But unfortunately these players wanted out .. What are we supposed to do ?? Keep unhappy players, let their contract run down and then get nothing for them ?? We all know football is becoming a money business .. We got very good money for all of those players .. You dont realise that O Neill bought a lot of very AVERAGE players and they were all on massive, ridiculous wages .. I think he did a great job as manager of our club but lets not forget he had every chance of getting top 4 a few years ago but failed in buying a potent striker .. Football is a business like any other work .. Balancing the books has to be part of that
comment by DLo1984 (U6668)
You told us all Lerner has backed every manager with funds and I have shown under big eck he didn't.
You could point to every selling club going and say the manager got funds to buy players when in fact the transfer money received far exceeded the funds offered.
Big Eck was not backed financially by Lerner...end off
comment by DLo1984 (U6668)
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Vidic .. Yes you may be correct .. But unfortunately these players wanted out .. What are we supposed to do ?? Keep unhappy players, let their contract run down and then get nothing for them ?? We all know football is becoming a money business .. We got very good money for all of those players .. You dont realise that O Neill bought a lot of very AVERAGE players and they were all on massive, ridiculous wages .. I think he did a great job as manager of our club but lets not forget he had every chance of getting top 4 a few years ago but failed in buying a potent striker .. Football is a business like any other work .. Balancing the books has to be part of that
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Didn't O'Neill buy those players? So basically he picked up Milner for £1m and Villa made a £20m profit on him. Downing for £10m, making a £10m profit and I am unsure about Young but I guess he was around £7m and picked up £16m?
That's around £40m profit for those players, who made Villa a good team challenging for forth.
Randy's net spend has been progressively declining in the last 3 seasons.
He did back O'Neill in a big way but subsequent managers have not been backed as much as he balances the books (and O'Neill knew this was coming, hence why he left).
Unsurprisingly as Villa have spent less on wages and fees, they have progressively declined on the pitch.
Only if Lambert is given the same backing O'Neill had will they get back in the top half again.
If Villa continue to be frugal (and they might have little choice with large debt to Randy and falling gates), then Lambert won't take them anywhere either.
Lerner backed MON with massive funds & huge contracts for ageing average players.
He did so on the premise of cracking the top 4, & despite coming 5th (twice?) never quite managed it, & then drew in the purse strings & the rest is history.
Villa is still left with the legacy of those years with the debt that sits on the balance sheet as result of it & the fact that Lerner is now running it as a business i.e. looking to balance the books.
He only spent big on Bent because it looked like they could down at that Christmas & he re-couped the money in the following summer.
Lambert will get some backing I'm sure, but he's not going to get the £10's of £M's that MON spunked, he'll have to take a few gambles in the transfer market. If he makes a success of it (& I think he will) then he'll make proved he's a top drawer manager, no doubt.
villa average 8th in the premierleague since it began and have always been in the premierleague, whereas norwich average a premierleague season once or twice a decade. villa are a wayy bigger club than norwich, thats just common sense.
by your logic rodgers to liverpool isnt a step up either, but you're just biased and bound to say it is.. every other fan besides liverpool fans know liverpool are a mid table team these days and no longer a champions league team, and will not be for the forseeable future. I used to hate playing liverpool, but not any more. Im sure other premierleague fans think the same.
That's around £40m profit for those players, who made Villa a good team challenging for forth.
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That is my point, Lerner should have moved forwards from there, instead of backwards?
Surely you can see that.
Lerner bought Villa when United,Chelsea and Arsenal were shoe ins for the top 4 but Liverpool were on the wane and Spurs were a 6-10th spot team and City hadn't won the lottery.He saw an opportunity to spend a few bob and get 4th,the window of opportunity was 2 seasons and they finished 5th both times.Cities lottery win and the emergence of Spurs under Redknapp has scuppered the chances of Villa
Wow...an article I made as a private rant about an issue I wouldn't think many people would care about has 65 comments. Decent!
I don't blame Lambert for wanting to leave, it's all about timing when your stock is high you move on. The Norwich board don't seem to be backing him and he has done well with a squad thats nucleus is made up of Championship players. If his club don't spend money and they sell their top goalscorer and are involved in a relegation fight then his stock is low again and he won't get the same opportunities that are available to him now. Stoke add to their squad every season and although they play abysmally they have a good squad of players which mean they can progress again season after season.
Aston Villa are a big club, but they're in decline. But in all honesty, they have better players than Norwich do and will still spend more than Norwich will.
What I don't understand with the Villa fans though is, what is the expectation? Surely anything above a top ten finish is unrealistic?
TOOR: "That's around £40m profit for those players, who made Villa a good team challenging for forth."
Milner wasn't 1M, more like 12M. Ash was more than you're quoting too. And MON didn't buy Barry.
If the arguement is Lerner is an idiot for not backing Eck, then you're right - he didn't. Thank God. Eck wasted NZog, and signed Jenas (Anderton Mk2 fo injuries) and Hutton (woeful).
The fact is Lerner couldn't sanction more spending after MONs reign of terror in the transfer market - we had a 90% wage to earnings ratio, and a wage bill higher than Spurs.
MON bought some success (not more than expected given spending) and it was nice, but we're still paying for it now with bench warming dross on 60k+ a week. And I don't get where this "MON played great football" is coming from. Good at times, but not exactly Brazil.
Lerner tried the hands off approach and got burnt on wages. Since then the policy has been to continue his significant investment in infrastructure, spend when viable and keep the wage bill (a bigger liability than transfer fees) respectable.
He's no sheik, but he's better than most.
Henrick - I think entertainment and no relegation fight is the base line, a top ten finish would be considered a major success given the overhaul required (our back four are a mix of permenantly out of form, awful, and the very able Clark).
Seaon two we'd expect top ten, and at least a challenge for a Europa spot from then on.
villa shouldnt even expect top 10 next season.
just better football and no relegation scrap.
sorry vanvillan, you've just said that!
you stole him off another club under their noses, so don't be surprised when it happens to you
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Sir Thomas,
A comment of great insight and stated in a most succinct manner. Now, whom do you think they should pursue in order to remain in the Premier after next season? Is the guy at Wigan still available, he might be a great fit for this job?
They need to fill this position ASAP!
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posted on 31/5/12
comment by DLo1984 (U6668)
Does that include big eck?
posted on 31/5/12
Downing and Young sold for combined £38million.So if big eck spent £38million and a penny then you will still be right
posted on 31/5/12
Yep .. He spent 15 odd million .. N'zogbia and Hutton .. Like i say Lerner has backed every manager .. We have spent a hell of alot more than most clubs challenging for 4th over the last few years .. Newcastle, Everton, now i dont believe they have shelled out millions !!
posted on 31/5/12
Phil neville three feet .. Havent you heard about balancing the books in business ?? Downing and Young wanted and we got great money for both .. Lambert if given the job will get cash .. I have no doubts about it
posted on 31/5/12
He has backed every manager in charge with funds
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Really?
How many players has he sold recently, and for how much?
I can think of 75 million just for Barry, Milner, Downing & Young straight off the top of my head.
posted on 31/5/12
Big eck was a dreadful appointment from Lerner but previously he's backed managers, o neill got close to cl but IMO he's not a good enough manager, that's his level and he couldn't bring the team any further.
Sunderland will do well next season and probably finish in top 8 but it will all fizzle out and o neill will move on, do a good job somewhere else again.
posted on 31/5/12
Vidic .. Yes you may be correct .. But unfortunately these players wanted out .. What are we supposed to do ?? Keep unhappy players, let their contract run down and then get nothing for them ?? We all know football is becoming a money business .. We got very good money for all of those players .. You dont realise that O Neill bought a lot of very AVERAGE players and they were all on massive, ridiculous wages .. I think he did a great job as manager of our club but lets not forget he had every chance of getting top 4 a few years ago but failed in buying a potent striker .. Football is a business like any other work .. Balancing the books has to be part of that
posted on 31/5/12
comment by DLo1984 (U6668)
You told us all Lerner has backed every manager with funds and I have shown under big eck he didn't.
You could point to every selling club going and say the manager got funds to buy players when in fact the transfer money received far exceeded the funds offered.
Big Eck was not backed financially by Lerner...end off
posted on 31/5/12
comment by DLo1984 (U6668)
posted 37 seconds ago
Vidic .. Yes you may be correct .. But unfortunately these players wanted out .. What are we supposed to do ?? Keep unhappy players, let their contract run down and then get nothing for them ?? We all know football is becoming a money business .. We got very good money for all of those players .. You dont realise that O Neill bought a lot of very AVERAGE players and they were all on massive, ridiculous wages .. I think he did a great job as manager of our club but lets not forget he had every chance of getting top 4 a few years ago but failed in buying a potent striker .. Football is a business like any other work .. Balancing the books has to be part of that
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Didn't O'Neill buy those players? So basically he picked up Milner for £1m and Villa made a £20m profit on him. Downing for £10m, making a £10m profit and I am unsure about Young but I guess he was around £7m and picked up £16m?
That's around £40m profit for those players, who made Villa a good team challenging for forth.
posted on 31/5/12
Randy's net spend has been progressively declining in the last 3 seasons.
He did back O'Neill in a big way but subsequent managers have not been backed as much as he balances the books (and O'Neill knew this was coming, hence why he left).
Unsurprisingly as Villa have spent less on wages and fees, they have progressively declined on the pitch.
Only if Lambert is given the same backing O'Neill had will they get back in the top half again.
If Villa continue to be frugal (and they might have little choice with large debt to Randy and falling gates), then Lambert won't take them anywhere either.
posted on 31/5/12
Lerner backed MON with massive funds & huge contracts for ageing average players.
He did so on the premise of cracking the top 4, & despite coming 5th (twice?) never quite managed it, & then drew in the purse strings & the rest is history.
Villa is still left with the legacy of those years with the debt that sits on the balance sheet as result of it & the fact that Lerner is now running it as a business i.e. looking to balance the books.
He only spent big on Bent because it looked like they could down at that Christmas & he re-couped the money in the following summer.
Lambert will get some backing I'm sure, but he's not going to get the £10's of £M's that MON spunked, he'll have to take a few gambles in the transfer market. If he makes a success of it (& I think he will) then he'll make proved he's a top drawer manager, no doubt.
posted on 31/5/12
villa average 8th in the premierleague since it began and have always been in the premierleague, whereas norwich average a premierleague season once or twice a decade. villa are a wayy bigger club than norwich, thats just common sense.
by your logic rodgers to liverpool isnt a step up either, but you're just biased and bound to say it is.. every other fan besides liverpool fans know liverpool are a mid table team these days and no longer a champions league team, and will not be for the forseeable future. I used to hate playing liverpool, but not any more. Im sure other premierleague fans think the same.
posted on 31/5/12
That's around £40m profit for those players, who made Villa a good team challenging for forth.
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That is my point, Lerner should have moved forwards from there, instead of backwards?
Surely you can see that.
posted on 31/5/12
Lerner bought Villa when United,Chelsea and Arsenal were shoe ins for the top 4 but Liverpool were on the wane and Spurs were a 6-10th spot team and City hadn't won the lottery.He saw an opportunity to spend a few bob and get 4th,the window of opportunity was 2 seasons and they finished 5th both times.Cities lottery win and the emergence of Spurs under Redknapp has scuppered the chances of Villa
posted on 31/5/12
Wow...an article I made as a private rant about an issue I wouldn't think many people would care about has 65 comments. Decent!
posted on 31/5/12
I don't blame Lambert for wanting to leave, it's all about timing when your stock is high you move on. The Norwich board don't seem to be backing him and he has done well with a squad thats nucleus is made up of Championship players. If his club don't spend money and they sell their top goalscorer and are involved in a relegation fight then his stock is low again and he won't get the same opportunities that are available to him now. Stoke add to their squad every season and although they play abysmally they have a good squad of players which mean they can progress again season after season.
Aston Villa are a big club, but they're in decline. But in all honesty, they have better players than Norwich do and will still spend more than Norwich will.
What I don't understand with the Villa fans though is, what is the expectation? Surely anything above a top ten finish is unrealistic?
posted on 31/5/12
TOOR: "That's around £40m profit for those players, who made Villa a good team challenging for forth."
Milner wasn't 1M, more like 12M. Ash was more than you're quoting too. And MON didn't buy Barry.
If the arguement is Lerner is an idiot for not backing Eck, then you're right - he didn't. Thank God. Eck wasted NZog, and signed Jenas (Anderton Mk2 fo injuries) and Hutton (woeful).
The fact is Lerner couldn't sanction more spending after MONs reign of terror in the transfer market - we had a 90% wage to earnings ratio, and a wage bill higher than Spurs.
MON bought some success (not more than expected given spending) and it was nice, but we're still paying for it now with bench warming dross on 60k+ a week. And I don't get where this "MON played great football" is coming from. Good at times, but not exactly Brazil.
Lerner tried the hands off approach and got burnt on wages. Since then the policy has been to continue his significant investment in infrastructure, spend when viable and keep the wage bill (a bigger liability than transfer fees) respectable.
He's no sheik, but he's better than most.
posted on 31/5/12
Henrick - I think entertainment and no relegation fight is the base line, a top ten finish would be considered a major success given the overhaul required (our back four are a mix of permenantly out of form, awful, and the very able Clark).
Seaon two we'd expect top ten, and at least a challenge for a Europa spot from then on.
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posted on 31/5/12
villa shouldnt even expect top 10 next season.
just better football and no relegation scrap.
posted on 31/5/12
sorry vanvillan, you've just said that!
posted on 1/6/12
you stole him off another club under their noses, so don't be surprised when it happens to you
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Sir Thomas,
A comment of great insight and stated in a most succinct manner. Now, whom do you think they should pursue in order to remain in the Premier after next season? Is the guy at Wigan still available, he might be a great fit for this job?
They need to fill this position ASAP!
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