The Red - Robben is too selfish, Ribery I feel is very overrated.
Phil - What you have to remember is that Nani was injured for a very long period hence the patchy performances.
Ribery is on a par with Nani and so is Robben I believe but Robben is extremely selfish. Nani leaving would slowly start the demise of this once great squad of world class talent
How long was Nani injured for??
Valencia was out for abou 6 months and came back better than ever...
Nani has become a very decent footballer but I dont think he is first choice right wing over valencia and he always seem to be rubbish on the left...I am not sure if it would be the end of the world if he left
i would be disappointed if nani moved on now after all the patience we have shown in him. and although he disappears for a few weeks now and again he is easily the best winger we have and is unpredictable, unlike young and valencia. i'd even go as far as to say that i can't think of a better winger except the obvious two in the world. he just needs a bit more consistency.
Phil - Nani was out for a couple months I think and when he came back it was towards the end of the season which meant that he didn't have enough games to regain some sort of consistency. With regards to Valencia he had time to regain that consistency whereas Nani didn't...
I just posted this on another article, but does anyone else think that if we sell Nani and sign someone like Rodriguez instead it will set a bad precedent. It would be like we're doing an Arsenal, bringing in a promising young player and selling him as soon as he's close to reaching his prime. Having seen Nani develop at United I'd like to see the best of him in a United shirt as well.
I think buying and developing youngsters is very well, but what good is it if they just move on once they reach their best? Hope that makes sense.
King Crimson - Fully understand what you mean and I feel exactly the same way!
After losing a bit of an edge in the transfer market the least we can do is try to make an effort to keep our own players. I don't mind us not spending crazy like Chelsea or City do, but it would be very disappointing to see us selling the top players at our own club.
I do find it ridiculous when some fans claim that it's ok to sell Nani, one of our most talented players, to make room for some young star that they have only ever seen on Youtube.
Maybe i am just not so blind to Nanis regular bad performances as you are.
Visa issues, ffs he's played in Germany for yonks!!! Anyway, he'll be a united player soon
What concerns me the most is that everytime we get a 'flair' player he seems not to fit in (veron, berba), moves on (ronaldo) or looks to move on (nani)
Yet run of the mill players seem to stay and are SAFs favourites. I include the likes of Irwin, valencia, Gnev etc
I do however think our success in the PL is a result of this but our lack of success in europe is also because of this
Personally I would never consider selling Nani, his inconsistency is often down to our team rather than him. Valencia crosses regardless of whats in the box, nani and to a degree young, look up and see that there is nothing and then attempt the spectacular and it doesnt pay off. I place ando in the same category. carrick passes 5 yards and people complain, ando passes into space his team mates dont get on the end of it and people complain
I would build teh team around nani, play him in the position he takes for portugal and look at how brilliant he is there
Unfortunately we dont have the players who are as quick thinking as him (clev maybe)
I honestly can't see how he would have visa issues. He is Japan's no 1 player who will generate millions for United, an English club. It would be absolutely ridiculous if he wasn't granted a visa.
Concerning Nani, it would be stupid to get rid of him, yes he can be inconsistent and was so last season but I don't think he was really given a good run of games during the second have mainly due to injuries which didn't help. When given a long run of games and played predominantly on the right like the 10/11 season he can be devastating.
RedReason, I agree completely with regards to the lack of success in Europe. I think against continental sides you need a little bit of unpredictability and "flair" to do well; players such as Valencia are great in the PL but I would expect Nani to perform better against the big European teams.
The problem with flair players is that they can tend to drift in and out of games, and they aren't that effective without possession. Defensively flair players do not give as much as other players might, and rarely track back. I think that's why flair players have perhaps tended to make less of an impact in the PL until recently.
As for the visa problem, seems like a mountain being made out of a molehill. I'm pretty sure he'll get a work permit/visa in a couple of days. After all Bebe and Dong got one, so I see no reason why Kagawa won't.
If Nani goes then I can't see us not replacing him,
He's worth 30 million so I'm sure we could get someone else.
However I'd like him to stay, but we can't expect a player from Portugal to have any loyalty to Man Utd. It doesn't work like that.
comment by Very_Cleverley_Done (VCD) (U13761)
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Spending 17m on a relatively unknown and raw talent, i would expect some loyalty...
KingCrimson - agreed mate
The thing that irritates me about fans is they latch onto something with a player and it sticks.
Nani and berba to a degree got/get a lot of flack from our fans. mostly undeserved imo.
At times it is deserved too, dont get me wrong. but these are rare but become the focus
I am not being funny but the king of inconsistency, even SAF has said in the past, is wayne rooney and his famous/infamous patches/spells.
Yet say something negative lol.
Yeah, I see what you're getting at. Certain aspects of these players game gets highlighted, whereas plenty of the positives get ignored e.g. Berbatov's "laziness", Nani's inconsistency and so on.
Whilst I agree there are aspects to Nani's game he can work on, but to rule him out altogether is ridiculous. Nani's come quite a long way since he's been with us and his game has improved considerably, so give the lad some credit. Personally I also believe he's made out to be more inconsistent than he actually is. Sure he has some poor games, but he's not the only player at the club who does.
Personally I also believe he's made out to be more inconsistent than he actually is.
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Definitely. Nani over the past two seasons has been no more inconsistent than Valencia - in fact, probably less so.
Not a dig at Valencia by any means, but I do feel that Nani has set the bar higher for himself than Valencia has. When Nani isnt playing to his usual high standards, the "inconsistency" jibes start coming out. This dosent seem to be the case with Valencia.
comment by King Crimson - GGMU (U14175)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah, I see what you're getting at. Certain aspects of these players game gets highlighted, whereas plenty of the positives get ignored e.g. Berbatov's "laziness", Nani's inconsistency and so on.
Whilst I agree there are aspects to Nani's game he can work on, but to rule him out altogether is ridiculous. Nani's come quite a long way since he's been with us and his game has improved considerably, so give the lad some credit. Personally I also believe he's made out to be more inconsistent than he actually is. Sure he has some poor games, but he's not the only player at the club who does.
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Dont think anyone is ruling him out, we all know he has some great qualities, thing is about Nani, when hes not at the top of his game, he brings little to the side and can become quite sulky, when Rooney isnt at it, we still know that hes got a goal in him, its abit of one extreme to the other with Nani...
On his day Nani is great, he just doesn't have enough of them, Valencia was far more effective last year and has outperformed Nani for large chunks of the last 2 seasons. He isn't Ronaldo. If he doesn't wish to stay, in an area that we are covered in, then let's get rid, if we sell him abroad, we will not have to face him regularly, if at all, get a hefty fee and maybe reinvest in central midfield?? I would have no hard feelings, like he says he has won the lot with us, so if he wants a new challenge then fair play and thanks for your efforts.
PhilJones4 (U5029)
Nani does tend to play pretty badly in a few games, but I think it's also highlighted more as we have much greater expectations of Nani. The one complaint I do have regarding Nani's game is that when he is having a bad game he tends to do it all himself and ends up making a mess of it (taking long range shots that are far off target when there is another player in a better position).
-bloodred- (U1222)
Agreed Valencia can be inconsistent too but I think it goes unnoticed as his game mostly consists of running past his man and crossing the ball in so it doesn't get noticed as much. If he's having a poor game Valencia just passes it to a teammate instead of whipping in the cross. Nani, as I have already alluded, tries to do too much and I think that is why his inconsistency is highlighted more.
Manchester_United_Football_Club (U3625)
Like I have said, Valencia imo is more effective in the PL; if we are to challenge in Europe as well then I think we must keep hold of players like Nani. Not only does Nani have more to his game than Valencia, he is also tactically more flexible. Valencia can only hug the right touchline, whereas Nani can play on both wings and can come in centrally.
As for "an area we are covered in" we have three wingers at the club (unless you count Giggs or Park, who frankly aren't quite as good anymore) for 60+ games. If any one of them was to get injured then our squad would be stretched, and yet you want to sell Nani off? I would have to disagree with you on that account as well.
If any one of them was to get injured then our squad would be stretched, and yet you want to sell Nani off? I would have to disagree with you on that account as well.
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Id like to think if we were to sell Nani, we would definately be bringing in a replacement..
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posted on 2/6/12
The Red - Robben is too selfish, Ribery I feel is very overrated.
Phil - What you have to remember is that Nani was injured for a very long period hence the patchy performances.
posted on 2/6/12
Ribery is on a par with Nani and so is Robben I believe but Robben is extremely selfish. Nani leaving would slowly start the demise of this once great squad of world class talent
posted on 2/6/12
How long was Nani injured for??
Valencia was out for abou 6 months and came back better than ever...
posted on 2/6/12
Nani has become a very decent footballer but I dont think he is first choice right wing over valencia and he always seem to be rubbish on the left...I am not sure if it would be the end of the world if he left
posted on 2/6/12
i would be disappointed if nani moved on now after all the patience we have shown in him. and although he disappears for a few weeks now and again he is easily the best winger we have and is unpredictable, unlike young and valencia. i'd even go as far as to say that i can't think of a better winger except the obvious two in the world. he just needs a bit more consistency.
posted on 2/6/12
Phil - Nani was out for a couple months I think and when he came back it was towards the end of the season which meant that he didn't have enough games to regain some sort of consistency. With regards to Valencia he had time to regain that consistency whereas Nani didn't...
posted on 2/6/12
Ole - Spot on.
posted on 2/6/12
I just posted this on another article, but does anyone else think that if we sell Nani and sign someone like Rodriguez instead it will set a bad precedent. It would be like we're doing an Arsenal, bringing in a promising young player and selling him as soon as he's close to reaching his prime. Having seen Nani develop at United I'd like to see the best of him in a United shirt as well.
I think buying and developing youngsters is very well, but what good is it if they just move on once they reach their best? Hope that makes sense.
posted on 2/6/12
King Crimson - Fully understand what you mean and I feel exactly the same way!
posted on 2/6/12
After losing a bit of an edge in the transfer market the least we can do is try to make an effort to keep our own players. I don't mind us not spending crazy like Chelsea or City do, but it would be very disappointing to see us selling the top players at our own club.
I do find it ridiculous when some fans claim that it's ok to sell Nani, one of our most talented players, to make room for some young star that they have only ever seen on Youtube.
posted on 2/6/12
Maybe i am just not so blind to Nanis regular bad performances as you are.
posted on 2/6/12
Visa issues, ffs he's played in Germany for yonks!!! Anyway, he'll be a united player soon
posted on 2/6/12
What concerns me the most is that everytime we get a 'flair' player he seems not to fit in (veron, berba), moves on (ronaldo) or looks to move on (nani)
Yet run of the mill players seem to stay and are SAFs favourites. I include the likes of Irwin, valencia, Gnev etc
I do however think our success in the PL is a result of this but our lack of success in europe is also because of this
Personally I would never consider selling Nani, his inconsistency is often down to our team rather than him. Valencia crosses regardless of whats in the box, nani and to a degree young, look up and see that there is nothing and then attempt the spectacular and it doesnt pay off. I place ando in the same category. carrick passes 5 yards and people complain, ando passes into space his team mates dont get on the end of it and people complain
I would build teh team around nani, play him in the position he takes for portugal and look at how brilliant he is there
Unfortunately we dont have the players who are as quick thinking as him (clev maybe)
posted on 2/6/12
I honestly can't see how he would have visa issues. He is Japan's no 1 player who will generate millions for United, an English club. It would be absolutely ridiculous if he wasn't granted a visa.
Concerning Nani, it would be stupid to get rid of him, yes he can be inconsistent and was so last season but I don't think he was really given a good run of games during the second have mainly due to injuries which didn't help. When given a long run of games and played predominantly on the right like the 10/11 season he can be devastating.
posted on 2/6/12
RedReason, I agree completely with regards to the lack of success in Europe. I think against continental sides you need a little bit of unpredictability and "flair" to do well; players such as Valencia are great in the PL but I would expect Nani to perform better against the big European teams.
The problem with flair players is that they can tend to drift in and out of games, and they aren't that effective without possession. Defensively flair players do not give as much as other players might, and rarely track back. I think that's why flair players have perhaps tended to make less of an impact in the PL until recently.
As for the visa problem, seems like a mountain being made out of a molehill. I'm pretty sure he'll get a work permit/visa in a couple of days. After all Bebe and Dong got one, so I see no reason why Kagawa won't.
posted on 2/6/12
If Nani goes then I can't see us not replacing him,
He's worth 30 million so I'm sure we could get someone else.
However I'd like him to stay, but we can't expect a player from Portugal to have any loyalty to Man Utd. It doesn't work like that.
posted on 2/6/12
comment by Very_Cleverley_Done (VCD) (U13761)
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Spending 17m on a relatively unknown and raw talent, i would expect some loyalty...
posted on 2/6/12
KingCrimson - agreed mate
The thing that irritates me about fans is they latch onto something with a player and it sticks.
Nani and berba to a degree got/get a lot of flack from our fans. mostly undeserved imo.
At times it is deserved too, dont get me wrong. but these are rare but become the focus
I am not being funny but the king of inconsistency, even SAF has said in the past, is wayne rooney and his famous/infamous patches/spells.
Yet say something negative lol.
posted on 2/6/12
Yeah, I see what you're getting at. Certain aspects of these players game gets highlighted, whereas plenty of the positives get ignored e.g. Berbatov's "laziness", Nani's inconsistency and so on.
Whilst I agree there are aspects to Nani's game he can work on, but to rule him out altogether is ridiculous. Nani's come quite a long way since he's been with us and his game has improved considerably, so give the lad some credit. Personally I also believe he's made out to be more inconsistent than he actually is. Sure he has some poor games, but he's not the only player at the club who does.
posted on 2/6/12
Personally I also believe he's made out to be more inconsistent than he actually is.
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Definitely. Nani over the past two seasons has been no more inconsistent than Valencia - in fact, probably less so.
Not a dig at Valencia by any means, but I do feel that Nani has set the bar higher for himself than Valencia has. When Nani isnt playing to his usual high standards, the "inconsistency" jibes start coming out. This dosent seem to be the case with Valencia.
posted on 2/6/12
comment by King Crimson - GGMU (U14175)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah, I see what you're getting at. Certain aspects of these players game gets highlighted, whereas plenty of the positives get ignored e.g. Berbatov's "laziness", Nani's inconsistency and so on.
Whilst I agree there are aspects to Nani's game he can work on, but to rule him out altogether is ridiculous. Nani's come quite a long way since he's been with us and his game has improved considerably, so give the lad some credit. Personally I also believe he's made out to be more inconsistent than he actually is. Sure he has some poor games, but he's not the only player at the club who does.
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Dont think anyone is ruling him out, we all know he has some great qualities, thing is about Nani, when hes not at the top of his game, he brings little to the side and can become quite sulky, when Rooney isnt at it, we still know that hes got a goal in him, its abit of one extreme to the other with Nani...
posted on 2/6/12
On his day Nani is great, he just doesn't have enough of them, Valencia was far more effective last year and has outperformed Nani for large chunks of the last 2 seasons. He isn't Ronaldo. If he doesn't wish to stay, in an area that we are covered in, then let's get rid, if we sell him abroad, we will not have to face him regularly, if at all, get a hefty fee and maybe reinvest in central midfield?? I would have no hard feelings, like he says he has won the lot with us, so if he wants a new challenge then fair play and thanks for your efforts.
posted on 2/6/12
PhilJones4 (U5029)
Nani does tend to play pretty badly in a few games, but I think it's also highlighted more as we have much greater expectations of Nani. The one complaint I do have regarding Nani's game is that when he is having a bad game he tends to do it all himself and ends up making a mess of it (taking long range shots that are far off target when there is another player in a better position).
-bloodred- (U1222)
Agreed Valencia can be inconsistent too but I think it goes unnoticed as his game mostly consists of running past his man and crossing the ball in so it doesn't get noticed as much. If he's having a poor game Valencia just passes it to a teammate instead of whipping in the cross. Nani, as I have already alluded, tries to do too much and I think that is why his inconsistency is highlighted more.
posted on 2/6/12
Manchester_United_Football_Club (U3625)
Like I have said, Valencia imo is more effective in the PL; if we are to challenge in Europe as well then I think we must keep hold of players like Nani. Not only does Nani have more to his game than Valencia, he is also tactically more flexible. Valencia can only hug the right touchline, whereas Nani can play on both wings and can come in centrally.
As for "an area we are covered in" we have three wingers at the club (unless you count Giggs or Park, who frankly aren't quite as good anymore) for 60+ games. If any one of them was to get injured then our squad would be stretched, and yet you want to sell Nani off? I would have to disagree with you on that account as well.
posted on 2/6/12
If any one of them was to get injured then our squad would be stretched, and yet you want to sell Nani off? I would have to disagree with you on that account as well.
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Id like to think if we were to sell Nani, we would definately be bringing in a replacement..
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