he offers nothing in attack either. he looks like he's decent going forward because he dribbles well but he never does anything with the ball. Gibbs > Clichy
I'd say Gibbs is more consistent than Clichy at the moment, but he's not better than him yet. He could be though, injuries permitting.
*more consistent than Clichy was for us
I think we'll get somewhere in the region of £37-£42m for Modric.
He actually had a decent season for us - the whole team collapsed after Jan so not getting 3rd is not down to him imo.
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Cant see it personally, unless its City. Chelsea having bought it Hazard, wont offer that money now IMO.
Only leaves Utd, who are not spending that type of money. how many years on his contrat left? Supprised he hasnt handed in a transfer request already after last summers double. But it may still come he has only just come out the Euro's.
Clichy wasn't awful, he was just prone to some very annoying lapses in concentration. Seems to have been sorted out at City though.
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I think that marks the difference between a good player and an average player.
And I disagree that has been sorted at Man City. He gave away the goal against QPR that would have cost them the title. It was covered up their miraculous come back. He was also responsible for the Alonso goal against Spain where he was covering no one next to Kos instead of staying in his position.
Clichy is an average player who I don't think will last more than a couple of seasons at City.
I'd say Gibbs is more consistent than Clichy at the moment, but he's not better than him yet. He could be though, injuries permitting.
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Agree, I actually think it was Gibbs time to step up, and I dont think they are far off tekkers wise.
Based on that 12m was a blinding deal, plus I am sure he came through the ranks did he not, w deffo paid, miniscule amount for him, that i can be certain about.
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Well that depends, what if Giroud ends up having a blinding season and City come in with 40m next summer, hypothetically speaking?
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I don't quite understand the point? Is it the implication that we cannot afford to keep our star performers or is that you expect Giroud to perform something that has never been done. Not even by Henry, who was a recognised talent form a young age unlike Giroud?
Real Madrid bank with Bankia. That means they are in no position to keep their players. If Man City went in with £60m for C.Ronaldo, they will sell. I suspect Messi can be had for £80m.
Our only protection against City is to have takeover by Usmanov who is rich enough to protect us. At least he lives near London.
I think Modric has still got about 4 years left - we signed him up on a long contract the season before the Chelsea debacle.
If Madrid really do want him, money plus player/s should get to that value.
Levy won't let him go on the cheap and with Chelsea offering £40m + last season, that will probably be Levy's starting point.
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Doesnt work like that, Barca offered 40mil for Fab season before he went, and we didnt sell. Barca then knew he wanted, and as do Chelsea and the whole wrld that Modric wants out, frankly they can play withthat to negotiate a better deal.
And dont you mean 2 years, if last summer was 1yr into in 4yr contract, and that was the Chelsea debacle, another summer later (now) means he has two years left. Cutting it tight, as next summer, 1 year left, ? I reckon spurs will sell him this summer.
And in the current stance United is not far off AFC. Glazers seem to be stiff with their money it seems. Not been many signings since the exit of Ronaldo. A deal which was unrefusable, understandably, 80m damn. But same time, the player has gone on to become a even better player and acheives great things. Wasnt the money used to bring in Berbatov? 31m IIRC, which in the grand scheme of things now, was a lot of money for not a lot of return?
With Kagawa this year, which wasnt a big money signing. I cant see Utd spending much more either? They do need more signings mind, but AF is a great manager, respect to the man, who has acheived alot to what is not a outstanding squad. I think Utd is more AF then the squad itself, lol
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you'll be suprised on how much utd have actually spent since Ronaldo left
Valencia 16 mill
jones 18 mill
young 16 mill
de gea 18 mill
smalling - 12 mil
hernandez 6 mill
and thats 86 million without the likes of Bebe etc
united do actually spend money, but success means they havent had to go out and pay a huge amount for 1 player.
If true we actually matched city and arsenals bid for Hazrd, so the money is there.
as for Kagawa, the only reason we got him that cheap is because he was in the last year of his contract, and we got lucky.
Would you guys say Berbatov was worth the 30M you paid for him?
Gibbs is better than Clichy in so many areas. Awful was an exaggeration but Clichy doesn't excel at anything apart from being quick. He's offers little going forward and always has a mistake in him. Gibbs last season was better than Clichy played for 2/3 years.
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Its just a hypothetical saying, seeing as City are the only team coming in for players especially AFC ones.
I am saying that he can perform wonders, hope my dear friend, hope, at the mighty AFC we have hope. Appreciate it will most likey be a quiet season as he settles, but still, we have signed him early so he has the summer to settle.
Valencia 16 mill
jones 18 mill
young 16 mill
de gea 18 mill
smalling - 12 mil
hernandez 6 mill
Wasnt Jones 14m
And Young - 25m?
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You could argue that with Uniteds finances that spending £15m-£20m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for them,
In the same way that £8m-£12m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for us.
Would you guys say Berbatov was worth the 30M you paid for him
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to anyone else he possibly could have been worth the money, but he never suited the way we play, which is why i could never understand his signing.
Saying that he was top scorer in the PL the season before last and has helped in our success over the last few years, so its a hard one really.
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Wasnt Jones 14m
And Young - 25m?
it depends what you read, young was between 15 and 20 depending on where your info is coming from.
again jones, depending on where your info ranges from between 16.5 and 18.
You could argue that with Uniteds finances that spending £15m-£20m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for them,
In the same way that £8m-£12m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for us.
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not really, 20 million is a lot for a player, regardless of who you are, sometimes a bidding war starts and you have to spend that little bit extra.
its swings and roundabouts, whereas we have a larger income, we also have a larger expenditure.
You could argue that with Uniteds finances that spending £15m-£20m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for them,
In the same way that £8m-£12m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for us.
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Would agree with that. That may change for us, seeing the 8-12m would be instilled in our heads from highbury days. Emirates may help AFC reach the MUFC figures, seeing United have had a 60k stadium for yonks, and all their fans benefit from London Weighting in their wage packet as well.
Appreciate it will most likey be a quiet season as he settles, but still, we have signed him early so he has the summer to settle.
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I suggested a few weeks ago when we confirmed Giroud that I believe a very realistic scenario is that we will keep RVP for the final year of his contract and sign Llorente on a pre-contract. Llorente is in exactly the same contract situation as RVP, just that he is a little younger.
That way Llorente will not be expected to perform immediately because Giruoud would be used to the league by then. It will also be easier to have a final go at RVP because of his age. There will be fewer takers next year.
However you cannot trust the frugality of the board and they may just take the money for RVP irrespective of the offer. In which case I hope we can do better than Giroud.
It doesn't matter that Giroud will half a pre-season. Wiltord did nothing in the league for years. And Henry had Dennis Bergkamp and a very successful team when he joined. Our only backup is Chamakh. Sorry but I will join the doom sayers if Giuroud is anything more than a backup.
Jenius99 (U4918)
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well depends, if RVP injures himself, Giroud will have to step up. I think Chamakh and Bendtner will be gone this summer, as will Vela. Remember Joel Campbell is back at AFC this summer, he will prob be out on loan again, hopefully in the EPL. But I have high hopes for this kid too.
Anyways, I think we digress.
Lowrento, original OP, cheer up lad, we are the mighty Arsenal, we have seen many trophies under wenger, including the mighty invinsible season. It would be worse we could be at WHL waiting for a league title since 1961-or was it 1962. Surely at 50 years you would lose all hope?
I predict trophies. I see them very soon.
COME ON YOU GOONERS
RVP injures himself, Giroud will have to step up.
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Absolutely. Even Chamakh did that very well after the world cup. Being a fill-in is very different to be being the main man at a very high pressure club.
Essentially the belief required in front of 60k supporters every week under intense pressure is very different to someone who knows he is backup. And the supporters know he is a backup.
Liverpool spent huge money Carroll and Suarez to replace Torres. However in goal scoring terms, they were both flops because they couldn't carry that pressure. They weren't names and didn't have experience of that type of environment.
Thats why I talk of players like Higuain or Llorente. Because although those players are partly reclamation projects or a need to make slight step up in class (llorente), they have experience of International football in high profile situations, come from top class, high pressure club league environments with some success in Europe. The French league, like the Dutch league is poor and requires a massive step up that needs a season of adjustment.
Hi All,
The elephant in the room here is that at least 2 shareholders of Arsenal PLC are billionaires.
Billionaires.
I am of the opinion that a chairman should be a fan of the club he/she chairs. If Stan or Alex are true fans then they would dip into there vast vast wealth and pay RVP the 200k a week OR spend the 30 mil on Mata (last season).
If Usmanov wants to find favor with the arsenal faithful then go and PAY THE MONEY for the players Arsene wants
it is folly to say the money is not in the club.
Im not advocating a sugar daddy scenario but something like when DD paid the money for Bergkamp just to get the dam deal done.
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posted on 27/6/12
he offers nothing in attack either. he looks like he's decent going forward because he dribbles well but he never does anything with the ball. Gibbs > Clichy
posted on 27/6/12
I'd say Gibbs is more consistent than Clichy at the moment, but he's not better than him yet. He could be though, injuries permitting.
posted on 27/6/12
*more consistent than Clichy was for us
posted on 27/6/12
I think we'll get somewhere in the region of £37-£42m for Modric.
He actually had a decent season for us - the whole team collapsed after Jan so not getting 3rd is not down to him imo.
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Cant see it personally, unless its City. Chelsea having bought it Hazard, wont offer that money now IMO.
Only leaves Utd, who are not spending that type of money. how many years on his contrat left? Supprised he hasnt handed in a transfer request already after last summers double. But it may still come he has only just come out the Euro's.
posted on 27/6/12
Clichy wasn't awful, he was just prone to some very annoying lapses in concentration. Seems to have been sorted out at City though.
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I think that marks the difference between a good player and an average player.
And I disagree that has been sorted at Man City. He gave away the goal against QPR that would have cost them the title. It was covered up their miraculous come back. He was also responsible for the Alonso goal against Spain where he was covering no one next to Kos instead of staying in his position.
Clichy is an average player who I don't think will last more than a couple of seasons at City.
posted on 27/6/12
I'd say Gibbs is more consistent than Clichy at the moment, but he's not better than him yet. He could be though, injuries permitting.
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Agree, I actually think it was Gibbs time to step up, and I dont think they are far off tekkers wise.
Based on that 12m was a blinding deal, plus I am sure he came through the ranks did he not, w deffo paid, miniscule amount for him, that i can be certain about.
posted on 27/6/12
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posted on 27/6/12
Well that depends, what if Giroud ends up having a blinding season and City come in with 40m next summer, hypothetically speaking?
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I don't quite understand the point? Is it the implication that we cannot afford to keep our star performers or is that you expect Giroud to perform something that has never been done. Not even by Henry, who was a recognised talent form a young age unlike Giroud?
Real Madrid bank with Bankia. That means they are in no position to keep their players. If Man City went in with £60m for C.Ronaldo, they will sell. I suspect Messi can be had for £80m.
Our only protection against City is to have takeover by Usmanov who is rich enough to protect us. At least he lives near London.
posted on 27/6/12
I think Modric has still got about 4 years left - we signed him up on a long contract the season before the Chelsea debacle.
If Madrid really do want him, money plus player/s should get to that value.
Levy won't let him go on the cheap and with Chelsea offering £40m + last season, that will probably be Levy's starting point.
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Doesnt work like that, Barca offered 40mil for Fab season before he went, and we didnt sell. Barca then knew he wanted, and as do Chelsea and the whole wrld that Modric wants out, frankly they can play withthat to negotiate a better deal.
And dont you mean 2 years, if last summer was 1yr into in 4yr contract, and that was the Chelsea debacle, another summer later (now) means he has two years left. Cutting it tight, as next summer, 1 year left, ? I reckon spurs will sell him this summer.
posted on 27/6/12
And in the current stance United is not far off AFC. Glazers seem to be stiff with their money it seems. Not been many signings since the exit of Ronaldo. A deal which was unrefusable, understandably, 80m damn. But same time, the player has gone on to become a even better player and acheives great things. Wasnt the money used to bring in Berbatov? 31m IIRC, which in the grand scheme of things now, was a lot of money for not a lot of return?
With Kagawa this year, which wasnt a big money signing. I cant see Utd spending much more either? They do need more signings mind, but AF is a great manager, respect to the man, who has acheived alot to what is not a outstanding squad. I think Utd is more AF then the squad itself, lol
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you'll be suprised on how much utd have actually spent since Ronaldo left
Valencia 16 mill
jones 18 mill
young 16 mill
de gea 18 mill
smalling - 12 mil
hernandez 6 mill
and thats 86 million without the likes of Bebe etc
united do actually spend money, but success means they havent had to go out and pay a huge amount for 1 player.
If true we actually matched city and arsenals bid for Hazrd, so the money is there.
as for Kagawa, the only reason we got him that cheap is because he was in the last year of his contract, and we got lucky.
posted on 27/6/12
Would you guys say Berbatov was worth the 30M you paid for him?
posted on 27/6/12
Gibbs is better than Clichy in so many areas. Awful was an exaggeration but Clichy doesn't excel at anything apart from being quick. He's offers little going forward and always has a mistake in him. Gibbs last season was better than Clichy played for 2/3 years.
posted on 27/6/12
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Its just a hypothetical saying, seeing as City are the only team coming in for players especially AFC ones.
I am saying that he can perform wonders, hope my dear friend, hope, at the mighty AFC we have hope. Appreciate it will most likey be a quiet season as he settles, but still, we have signed him early so he has the summer to settle.
posted on 27/6/12
Valencia 16 mill
jones 18 mill
young 16 mill
de gea 18 mill
smalling - 12 mil
hernandez 6 mill
Wasnt Jones 14m
And Young - 25m?
posted on 27/6/12
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posted on 27/6/12
You could argue that with Uniteds finances that spending £15m-£20m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for them,
In the same way that £8m-£12m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for us.
posted on 27/6/12
Would you guys say Berbatov was worth the 30M you paid for him
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to anyone else he possibly could have been worth the money, but he never suited the way we play, which is why i could never understand his signing.
Saying that he was top scorer in the PL the season before last and has helped in our success over the last few years, so its a hard one really.
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Wasnt Jones 14m
And Young - 25m?
it depends what you read, young was between 15 and 20 depending on where your info is coming from.
again jones, depending on where your info ranges from between 16.5 and 18.
posted on 27/6/12
You could argue that with Uniteds finances that spending £15m-£20m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for them,
In the same way that £8m-£12m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for us.
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not really, 20 million is a lot for a player, regardless of who you are, sometimes a bidding war starts and you have to spend that little bit extra.
its swings and roundabouts, whereas we have a larger income, we also have a larger expenditure.
posted on 27/6/12
You could argue that with Uniteds finances that spending £15m-£20m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for them,
In the same way that £8m-£12m is a ''modest'' transfer fee for us.
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Would agree with that. That may change for us, seeing the 8-12m would be instilled in our heads from highbury days. Emirates may help AFC reach the MUFC figures, seeing United have had a 60k stadium for yonks, and all their fans benefit from London Weighting in their wage packet as well.
posted on 27/6/12
Appreciate it will most likey be a quiet season as he settles, but still, we have signed him early so he has the summer to settle.
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I suggested a few weeks ago when we confirmed Giroud that I believe a very realistic scenario is that we will keep RVP for the final year of his contract and sign Llorente on a pre-contract. Llorente is in exactly the same contract situation as RVP, just that he is a little younger.
That way Llorente will not be expected to perform immediately because Giruoud would be used to the league by then. It will also be easier to have a final go at RVP because of his age. There will be fewer takers next year.
However you cannot trust the frugality of the board and they may just take the money for RVP irrespective of the offer. In which case I hope we can do better than Giroud.
It doesn't matter that Giroud will half a pre-season. Wiltord did nothing in the league for years. And Henry had Dennis Bergkamp and a very successful team when he joined. Our only backup is Chamakh. Sorry but I will join the doom sayers if Giuroud is anything more than a backup.
posted on 27/6/12
Jenius99 (U4918)
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well depends, if RVP injures himself, Giroud will have to step up. I think Chamakh and Bendtner will be gone this summer, as will Vela. Remember Joel Campbell is back at AFC this summer, he will prob be out on loan again, hopefully in the EPL. But I have high hopes for this kid too.
posted on 27/6/12
Anyways, I think we digress.
Lowrento, original OP, cheer up lad, we are the mighty Arsenal, we have seen many trophies under wenger, including the mighty invinsible season. It would be worse we could be at WHL waiting for a league title since 1961-or was it 1962. Surely at 50 years you would lose all hope?
I predict trophies. I see them very soon.
COME ON YOU GOONERS
posted on 27/6/12
Gonz
posted on 27/6/12
RVP injures himself, Giroud will have to step up.
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Absolutely. Even Chamakh did that very well after the world cup. Being a fill-in is very different to be being the main man at a very high pressure club.
Essentially the belief required in front of 60k supporters every week under intense pressure is very different to someone who knows he is backup. And the supporters know he is a backup.
Liverpool spent huge money Carroll and Suarez to replace Torres. However in goal scoring terms, they were both flops because they couldn't carry that pressure. They weren't names and didn't have experience of that type of environment.
Thats why I talk of players like Higuain or Llorente. Because although those players are partly reclamation projects or a need to make slight step up in class (llorente), they have experience of International football in high profile situations, come from top class, high pressure club league environments with some success in Europe. The French league, like the Dutch league is poor and requires a massive step up that needs a season of adjustment.
posted on 27/6/12
Hi All,
The elephant in the room here is that at least 2 shareholders of Arsenal PLC are billionaires.
Billionaires.
I am of the opinion that a chairman should be a fan of the club he/she chairs. If Stan or Alex are true fans then they would dip into there vast vast wealth and pay RVP the 200k a week OR spend the 30 mil on Mata (last season).
If Usmanov wants to find favor with the arsenal faithful then go and PAY THE MONEY for the players Arsene wants
it is folly to say the money is not in the club.
Im not advocating a sugar daddy scenario but something like when DD paid the money for Bergkamp just to get the dam deal done.
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