They will stop doing it if they cannot make money any more because they're so disliked, that is the point i was making. Demonising in such ways works well.
comment by makar - Thread Killer (U4260)
posted 26 seconds ago
They will stop doing it if they cannot make money any more because they're so disliked, that is the point i was making. Demonising in such ways works well.
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They won't be disliked though, as people respect and like their work. Some many bring race into it, like this one but many won't and you can't please everybody. Art is not clearcut, everybody will have their own interpretation, included the artist and his seems completely normal to me, he shouldn't stop because people bring race into it. Although working for a newspaper, he'll have to think before he prints his work, as the what people might find wrong, in order to keep his job.
makar - it hasn't nor will it damage his reputation though!
Other artists would be encouraged to do drawings like this given the way it's been blown out of all proportion and the attention the artist has received over it.
If other artists see that he can 'get away' with his drawing then they will do the same and before we know it there are lots of controversial drawings around flirting with racism and things bubble up again and you simply cannot ignore them.
Luckily it would appear that he has been greatly chastised for this image and I don't think we will be seeing any similar images like it again, at least for a while.
Wheras just saying it would be best if no-one made the race associations isn't going to work, because people just will. A lot of people will, not just a handful, possibly rightly, possibly wrongly, buut they certainly will, so they shouldn't be given something to be offended by.
Cobnob agrees with me. Don't you cobnob?
Cobnob?
Talking of interpretation of art. Has anyone one seen 'Exit Through the Gift Shop with Banksy?
johnsonsbaby (U10461)
posted 56 seconds ago
makar - it hasn't nor will it damage his reputation though!
Other artists would be encouraged to do drawings like this given the way it's been blown out of all proportion and the attention the artist has received over it.
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It is hardly good attention though, I can't see him 'winning' out of this in any way, in fact I wouldn't have been surprised if he was no longer allowed to work with Gazzetta dello Sport, I suspect that would've happened had it been in Britain.
Also, could you imagine anyone calling anybody Negrito or similar on a football pitch now ?
FSB (U11355)
posted 32 seconds ago
Talking of interpretation of art. Has anyone one seen 'Exit Through the Gift Shop with Banksy?
No but I want to so no spoilers please!
Makar, well worth watching. I;'m not an art lover but thought it was brilliant. Really thought provoking.
makar - you make my point for me. There's nothing to 'get away' with! If we stop making 'racist' connections then there isn't one. There's plenty of real racism without looking for it where it isn't intended.
For artists attention is attention good or bad in fact you made a comment earlier about 'edgey' drawings.
The newspaper saw nothing wrong with the cartoon or they wouldn't have published it. Adverse reaction to it means an apology - it's how these things work. Groupama are thriving after the 'blatant racist' advert Reina was in! They saw nothing wrong with it or wouldn't have run with it. Apology issued for the great offended and back to business. They wpuld be unlikely to run with a jungle theme twice anyway so wouldn't run a similar advert in the same vein.
comment by johnsonsbaby (U10461)
posted 1 second ago
makar - you make my point for me. There's nothing to 'get away' with! If we stop making 'racist' connections then there isn't one. There's plenty of real racism without looking for it where it isn't intended.
For artists attention is attention good or bad in fact you made a comment earlier about 'edgey' drawings.
The newspaper saw nothing wrong with the cartoon or they wouldn't have published it. Adverse reaction to it means an apology - it's how these things work. Groupama are thriving after the 'blatant racist' advert Reina was in! They saw nothing wrong with it or wouldn't have run with it. Apology issued for the great offended and back to business. They wpuld be unlikely to run with a jungle theme twice anyway so wouldn't run a similar advert in the same vein.
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johnsonsbaby (U10461)
Fair enough that is a solid argument, I do feel that it is fruitless to claim that we should just ignore it though, because people simply won't and the problem won't go away.
Disney were pilloried for the crab character in The Little Mermaid. He had a Jamaican accent and in one of his songs he said something about living under the sea you don't have to work. Well how racist was that.
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We got the Spirit you got to hear it
Under the sea
Also, don't think about the funhouse theme tune or vengabus is coming
comment by makar - Thread Killer (U4260)
posted 5 minutes ago
johnsonsbaby (U10461)
Fair enough that is a solid argument, I do feel that it is fruitless to claim that we should just ignore it though, because people simply won't and the problem won't go away.
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But ignore what? That's what we're saying. It isn't racist, so there's nothing to ignore.
But ignore what? That's what we're saying. It isn't racist, so there's nothing to ignore.
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what i'm saying is me and you ignoring it won't make a blind bit of difference because others will (rightly or wrongly) see it as racist and our ignoring it does not change that
makar - It's like ignoring a naughty child, providing they're not in any danger, you ignore the unwanted behaviour they will stop. If you give it attention it goes on and on and on.
I acknowledge you and all those who see this cartoon as racist, I see your point entirely. I just think the world has a better chance of wiping out racism albeit bit by bit, if we stop seeing racism where it isn't intended. Whether thats this cartoon or Disneys crabs
Wow! I can't believe 341 comments were needed to discuss something so obviously and blatantly racist.
johnsonsbaby (U10461)
Well you ignore it, I will chastise the artist and hopefully, between us, we will conquer racism and we will have statues erected
makar - sounds like a plan
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comment by shortlightandugly (U13938)
posted 9 minutes ago
Wow! I can't believe 341 comments were needed to discuss something so obviously and blatantly racist.
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Still not read the comments I see.
RAP - I wonder if those who complain actually work in their own communities trying to stamp out racism, or do anything constructive to those ends.
I'm just ignoring everybody
(Joking aside I am a qualified basketball ref and helped in an all black kids club. I have seen real racism first hand and it breaks your heart!)
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posted on 28/6/12
They will stop doing it if they cannot make money any more because they're so disliked, that is the point i was making. Demonising in such ways works well.
posted on 28/6/12
comment by makar - Thread Killer (U4260)
posted 26 seconds ago
They will stop doing it if they cannot make money any more because they're so disliked, that is the point i was making. Demonising in such ways works well.
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They won't be disliked though, as people respect and like their work. Some many bring race into it, like this one but many won't and you can't please everybody. Art is not clearcut, everybody will have their own interpretation, included the artist and his seems completely normal to me, he shouldn't stop because people bring race into it. Although working for a newspaper, he'll have to think before he prints his work, as the what people might find wrong, in order to keep his job.
posted on 28/6/12
makar - it hasn't nor will it damage his reputation though!
Other artists would be encouraged to do drawings like this given the way it's been blown out of all proportion and the attention the artist has received over it.
posted on 28/6/12
If other artists see that he can 'get away' with his drawing then they will do the same and before we know it there are lots of controversial drawings around flirting with racism and things bubble up again and you simply cannot ignore them.
Luckily it would appear that he has been greatly chastised for this image and I don't think we will be seeing any similar images like it again, at least for a while.
Wheras just saying it would be best if no-one made the race associations isn't going to work, because people just will. A lot of people will, not just a handful, possibly rightly, possibly wrongly, buut they certainly will, so they shouldn't be given something to be offended by.
Cobnob agrees with me. Don't you cobnob?
Cobnob?
posted on 28/6/12
Talking of interpretation of art. Has anyone one seen 'Exit Through the Gift Shop with Banksy?
posted on 28/6/12
johnsonsbaby (U10461)
posted 56 seconds ago
makar - it hasn't nor will it damage his reputation though!
Other artists would be encouraged to do drawings like this given the way it's been blown out of all proportion and the attention the artist has received over it.
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It is hardly good attention though, I can't see him 'winning' out of this in any way, in fact I wouldn't have been surprised if he was no longer allowed to work with Gazzetta dello Sport, I suspect that would've happened had it been in Britain.
Also, could you imagine anyone calling anybody Negrito or similar on a football pitch now ?
posted on 28/6/12
FSB (U11355)
posted 32 seconds ago
Talking of interpretation of art. Has anyone one seen 'Exit Through the Gift Shop with Banksy?
No but I want to so no spoilers please!
posted on 28/6/12
Makar, well worth watching. I;'m not an art lover but thought it was brilliant. Really thought provoking.
posted on 28/6/12
posted on 28/6/12
makar - you make my point for me. There's nothing to 'get away' with! If we stop making 'racist' connections then there isn't one. There's plenty of real racism without looking for it where it isn't intended.
For artists attention is attention good or bad in fact you made a comment earlier about 'edgey' drawings.
The newspaper saw nothing wrong with the cartoon or they wouldn't have published it. Adverse reaction to it means an apology - it's how these things work. Groupama are thriving after the 'blatant racist' advert Reina was in! They saw nothing wrong with it or wouldn't have run with it. Apology issued for the great offended and back to business. They wpuld be unlikely to run with a jungle theme twice anyway so wouldn't run a similar advert in the same vein.
posted on 28/6/12
comment by johnsonsbaby (U10461)
posted 1 second ago
makar - you make my point for me. There's nothing to 'get away' with! If we stop making 'racist' connections then there isn't one. There's plenty of real racism without looking for it where it isn't intended.
For artists attention is attention good or bad in fact you made a comment earlier about 'edgey' drawings.
The newspaper saw nothing wrong with the cartoon or they wouldn't have published it. Adverse reaction to it means an apology - it's how these things work. Groupama are thriving after the 'blatant racist' advert Reina was in! They saw nothing wrong with it or wouldn't have run with it. Apology issued for the great offended and back to business. They wpuld be unlikely to run with a jungle theme twice anyway so wouldn't run a similar advert in the same vein.
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posted on 28/6/12
johnsonsbaby (U10461)
Fair enough that is a solid argument, I do feel that it is fruitless to claim that we should just ignore it though, because people simply won't and the problem won't go away.
posted on 28/6/12
Disney were pilloried for the crab character in The Little Mermaid. He had a Jamaican accent and in one of his songs he said something about living under the sea you don't have to work. Well how racist was that.
posted on 28/6/12
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posted on 28/6/12
We got the Spirit you got to hear it
Under the sea
Also, don't think about the funhouse theme tune or vengabus is coming
posted on 28/6/12
comment by makar - Thread Killer (U4260)
posted 5 minutes ago
johnsonsbaby (U10461)
Fair enough that is a solid argument, I do feel that it is fruitless to claim that we should just ignore it though, because people simply won't and the problem won't go away.
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But ignore what? That's what we're saying. It isn't racist, so there's nothing to ignore.
posted on 28/6/12
But ignore what? That's what we're saying. It isn't racist, so there's nothing to ignore.
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what i'm saying is me and you ignoring it won't make a blind bit of difference because others will (rightly or wrongly) see it as racist and our ignoring it does not change that
posted on 28/6/12
makar - It's like ignoring a naughty child, providing they're not in any danger, you ignore the unwanted behaviour they will stop. If you give it attention it goes on and on and on.
I acknowledge you and all those who see this cartoon as racist, I see your point entirely. I just think the world has a better chance of wiping out racism albeit bit by bit, if we stop seeing racism where it isn't intended. Whether thats this cartoon or Disneys crabs
posted on 28/6/12
Wow! I can't believe 341 comments were needed to discuss something so obviously and blatantly racist.
posted on 28/6/12
johnsonsbaby (U10461)
Well you ignore it, I will chastise the artist and hopefully, between us, we will conquer racism and we will have statues erected
posted on 28/6/12
makar - sounds like a plan
posted on 28/6/12
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posted on 28/6/12
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posted on 28/6/12
comment by shortlightandugly (U13938)
posted 9 minutes ago
Wow! I can't believe 341 comments were needed to discuss something so obviously and blatantly racist.
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Still not read the comments I see.
posted on 28/6/12
RAP - I wonder if those who complain actually work in their own communities trying to stamp out racism, or do anything constructive to those ends.
I'm just ignoring everybody
(Joking aside I am a qualified basketball ref and helped in an all black kids club. I have seen real racism first hand and it breaks your heart!)
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